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If Hypercars can do Long Beach, Laguna Seca and Mexico City, they definitely can do Donington Park.
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I don't think WEC scheduling has anything to do with the track, IMSA doesn't care about local amenities like the FIA does. And does the WEC run at any of the 3 you listed, do any hypercar/GTPs run at Mexico City?
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I also cannot really see MSV paying to host an event they might not get a crowd for, I do not really think that is an issue, but Palmer is not a fan of huge hosting fees and really only pays one, SBK, maybe also Brands GTWC, not sure. But both are nothing like as dear as WEC can command now after the two huge crowds at Imola and Spa, if you were ACO now you would be bigging up your host fee!!
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Silverstone isn't the big draw it once was for the ACO, and the BRDC are happy enough with the, ahem- "premier" car and motorcycle racing series as its blue riband events.
It sucks, but outside a major change in attitude or circumstance, ACO racing isn't coming to the UK for the forseeable future. |
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My only counter to that might b that the bike racing event MotoGP has seen very sever drop[s in crowds in the past couple of years. Basically since Rossi retired, the crowd dropped by 20-30 thousand. Used to be 80k or so I think last year was less than 50
He is in WEC, he would not draw that crowd but in their terms they are only really interested in paying for events that gain them huge returns it seems now, MotoGP is contracted but might be dropped after its current deal. If you are wise you are seeing what is going on right now *huge crowds at Imola and Spa) and getting on the phone. But that depends on the relationship if it is damaged, maybe not. |
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That doesn't negate at all the fact that WEC is a hot commodity right now and track managements worldwide are keeping an eye on the series. Silverstone might attract as many as 100.000 spectators considering the current momentum of the series and the 'hunger' from UK and mainland Europe sportscar fans. I bet at least 10% of the Spa crowd last week came from accross the channel!
Silverstone is undoubtedly in the upper tiers of tracks with aspirations to host a round due to FIA grading, prospective audience and geological plus historical aspects (among other considerations). So are a few select other venues and there seems to be only a decent chance the series will extend their calendar with another event, making it a very competitive landscape in that regard. I'm not the biggest fan of the track but will take it over another Middle East venue any day. A post-LM slot (mid July) should work nicely and why not rotate the event with the Ring annually? |
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EB my point about Rossi was only really aimed at a UK crowd, we have no riders that crowds will flock, to see in the top class, France have Fabio and Zarco, both likeable guys who are very popular, plus the promoter works very hard to make prices cheap and put on stuff that makes the event worthwhile, something Silverstone singularly fail to do other than with F1
And I also agree coach, my only slight quibble is that even in the peak days of LMP1 the crowds at Silverstgone for WEC were not great, so they might still be hesitant or reticent to push hard and pay the by now no doubt increased prices ACO want. And why not!! it is a commodioty any decent track would want currently. |
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What are ticket prices for the French motogp? How do they work hard to keep those prices so low? Negotiate with the series promoter? Keep overheads down by paying staff and suppliers less? Or chose to make a loss? This is interesting stuff, I’ve not been exposed to how they do that. Silverstone could learn a thing or two.
I thought Silverstone did put on other stuff at the big events, as much as any other UK circuits? Maybe that’s changed since I went there. Obviously not for clubbies, but no idea they don’t do it for anything now. That is a shame. Perhaps they had feedback people don’t want this and wanted to keep the ticket prices down. Last edited by Adam43; 14 May 2024 at 22:46. Reason: Sp |
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The French MotoGP race has always been one that uses a sort of independent promoter, back in the day they had stuff like legends races, jet bikes, stunt shows and the like at Paul Ricard.
Yes they have a world champion rider out there but he is struggling right now yet the crowds flock, it is Le Mans Bugatti so very compact and easy for camping etc. but over a quarter of a million people over three days for a bike race is a serious crowd, but then again Le Mans and the Bol D'Or endurance races for bikes used to be hugely attended in France so I think they can easily flock to events once momentum starts. Regardless of French riders and winners. I have not looked at pricing, as it is not on my radar, but I would expect it to be significantly cheaper than many for crowds of that size. Trouble is I am not sure making it cheaper would drag tens of thousands more to Silverstone, they do make an effort with bands and stuff. But simply put no Brits winning and no Rossi has hugely dropped crowds and sadly it is an awful track to watch bikes on due to Grade 1 stuff. But I do think long term if the relationship with the ACO has not been permanently damaged there could be a future there for WEC, it never got a crowd before, for whatever reason, I don't know? But I am sure you could probably get a GP similar crowd like 40k plus there for WEC if you had it say next year. I am also bemused by the lack of German interest. Porsche, BMW, plenty of German divers and teams. |
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Silverstone should try that. No one would moan about that.
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15 May 2024, 18:27 (Ref:4209070) | #213 | ||
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French MotoGP 2024 general entry for three days were starting at 106 €. I dont think that make a loss was an option.
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What's an average and reasonable ticket price in €?
Petit is currently priced at 100 bucks for 4 Day and 80 for race day. The 6 hours at The Glen is 110 for weekend and 100 for race day. So the euro price isn't crazy on straight conversion but I know buying power wise is a bit higher, think it's about 85 cents to a dollar. So either way not too crazy. NASCAR isn't big on crowd numbers but Petit usually claims 100k but if that's weekend or race day is unclear but I assume it's total tickets sold. |
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That is cheap for three days of a top level world championship, not sure what te price is elsewhere.
Not quite sure why these events like Petit charge basically nothing for the practice days and a huge amount for the race, surely it is easier and better for all to charge say 30 quid on a Friday 35 on Saturday if you want to see something relevant, and then the bif bucks for race day. IN fairness to Silverstone this was their strategy in their WEC days, Friday used to be about a tenner!! |
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IMSA makes it tough to only do day passes as people can crash with others who have camp passes and they can just get a parking pass. They don't check around the track, usually as Road Atlanta has in the past but not for Petit, cause that's pretty spread out and camp wherever isn't specifically marked no camping. See the guys who camp deep in the woods between the Esses and T10.
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Probably not such an issue at WEC events, as circuits in Europe tend to be less open and have more security
I was utterly baffled at the ticketing system for Le Mans and I have to say it put me off even going! |
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As a comparison, full week ticket inc paddock entry & pit walks for Spa 24 hrs this year is 80 Euros - a very marginal increase on last year.
Pretty good value I feel .......... |
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It was a while ago now but I think when I last went to Silverstone for the WEC race day it was about £50.
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Keeping Imola? Why? Surely they'd want to go back to Monza, since circuit upgrades should be done by then
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They've signed a 4 year deal with Imola and apparently the circuit have promised to improve the circuits infrastructure (including building more pit garages).
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Le Mans clashing with the Canadian GP weekend, and Indycar........
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