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Old 10 May 2020, 13:09 (Ref:3975389)   #226
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We likely could have but our Pipo will now be able to run for a long time at
670HP instead of 870HP and will be a better engine in the end after all of this BS. Aston really screwed over a lot of people.
Lower output, increased durability sounds like a good cost saving outcome of all this.

I guess it would make your whole package a lot more interesting for customers.

Would it be possible to mount the Alfa engine as well, giving customers more options? (even though the Pipo would be the better option)
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Old 10 May 2020, 13:14 (Ref:3975390)   #227
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Lower output, increased durability sounds like a good cost saving outcome of all this.

I guess it would make your whole package a lot more interesting for customers.

Would it be possible to mount the Alfa engine as well, giving customers more options? (even though the Pipo would be the better option)
At 670 the Alfa would be really stressed. I wouldn't recommend it. With Alfa we were planning 650 ICE and 120 FWD Hybrid when the rules were at 770HP total.

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What a mess this has all been. Anyway, like you say, you will end up with a purpose-built, lightly stressed engine. Looking forward to seeing and hearing it run.
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What a mess this has all been. Anyway, like you say, you will end up with a purpose-built, lightly stressed engine. Looking forward to seeing and hearing it run.
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Old 11 May 2020, 03:02 (Ref:3975454)   #230
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Old 11 May 2020, 18:52 (Ref:3975594)   #232
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It's funny the photo they use for this article and the mass of statements that remain difficult to decipher...

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In this image the car looks more like an LMP1 and less than a Hypercar like the GT1 97, which is what I thought the new category was going to.



Glickenhaus Endurance Cup?
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How is it Jim, could you explain it?
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Wonder why they've chosen to do that, certainly it looks like it could be a contender. We'll see how well the new rules work for them. Maybe they are thinking of other series too. Let's wait and see what they say
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that pic is hilarious since there are all manufacturers but the one who will field a hypercar for real.... it's like a 2020 f1 poster with bentley, bmw and toyota....
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In this image the car looks more like an LMP1 and less than a Hypercar like the GT1 97, which is what I thought the new category was going to.



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https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/la...-jour-en-2021/

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Both Toyota and us are building to LMH Prototype rules. We are not required to build any road going examples. Therefore we looked at the rules and moved towards what we felt would be the fastest LMH under those rules. We may make road examples but they will come later. Looking at everything we feel our ICE only design will be very competitive and have lower running costs and complexity than a hybrid LMH. We don't believe that because of use restriction, even though FWD, a LMH hybrid system will be an advantage. Our design is being sculpted in the the wind tunnel and our engineering and aero team are quite accomplished. We remain hopeful. It's now looking like we will have at least a two car team.
As an aside we also believe our LMH will be much less expensive to race than LMDh and that LMDh will need a LOT of BOP help to run with LMH. Finally we believe that the massive economic changes that COVID 19 will bring to our world will have a huge effect on all racing and think there is a lot of pipe dreaming going on. We're very glad that we only need to sell 10 cars a year to continue and go into this new world with a firm backorder of at least 40 road 004's and Boots.
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Both Toyota and us are building to LMH Prototype rules. We are not required to build any road going examples. Therefore we looked at the rules and moved towards what we felt would be the fastest LMH under those rules. We may make road examples but they will come later. Looking at everything we feel our ICE only design will be very competitive and have lower running costs and complexity than a hybrid LMH. We don't believe that because of use restriction, even though FWD, a LMH hybrid system will be an advantage. Our design is being sculpted in the the wind tunnel and our engineering and aero team are quite accomplished. We remain hopeful. It's now looking like we will have at least a two car team.
As an aside we also believe our LMH will be much less expensive to race than LMDh and that LMDh will need a LOT of BOP help to run with LMH. Finally we believe that the massive economic changes that COVID 19 will bring to our world will have a huge effect on all racing and think there is a lot of pipe dreaming going on. We're very glad that we only need to sell 10 cars a year to continue and go into this new world with a firm backorder of at least 40 road 004's and Boots.
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Thanks, Jim - its interesting that you think LMH will be cheaper to run than an LMDh - is that principally because of the lack of a Hybrid or are there other reasons?
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Thanks, Jim - its interesting that you think LMH will be cheaper to run than an LMDh - is that principally because of the lack of a Hybrid or are there other reasons?
Hybrid systems are heavy and complex.
Using one on the front wheels has advantages but as the ACO has banned their use in the rain and below 120KPH we don't see it for our LMH with their weight, cost and complexity being worth it.
LMDh's 40HP RWD hybrid? Weak sauce.
Cost is math. Our LMH is 2mme for a 5 year car. Our running costs will be low. Our spare cost will be low. LMDh per year estimate15mm$ estimate? I don't hear a single.
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Hybrid systems are heavy and complex.
Using one on the front wheels has advantages but as the ACO has banned their use in the rain and below 120KPH we don't see it for our LMH with their weight, cost and complexity being worth it.
LMDh's 40HP RWD hybrid? Weak sauce.
Cost is math. Our LMH is 2mme for a 5 year car. Our running costs will be low. Our spare cost will be low. LMDh per year estimate15mm$ estimate? I don't hear a single.
2 million Euros, is quite alot more than an LMP2 purchase, and I imagine the cost of the new 2023 LMP2, will not be significantly more than present.

Not sure how your running costs can be comparably less than any other constructor? Maybe you can explain?

I also am nor sure where the $15 mil budget estimate came from for LMDh? They are virtually same spec as current DPi, so in essence are DPi Gen 2.0. $15 mil is not the normal running budget for a single car IMSA team in DPi currently. The WEC will likely be less race meetings for 2021, owing to the economic sever downturn, so again, I do not see those budget figures?
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2 million Euros, is quite alot more than an LMP2 purchase, and I imagine the cost of the new 2023 LMP2, will not be significantly more than present.

Not sure how your running costs can be comparably less than any other constructor? Maybe you can explain?

I also am nor sure where the $15 mil budget estimate came from for LMDh? They are virtually same spec as current DPi, so in essence are DPi Gen 2.0. $15 mil is not the normal running budget for a single car IMSA team in DPi currently. The WEC will likely be less race meetings for 2021, owing to the economic sever downturn, so again, I do not see those budget figures?
Our Pipo engine which was designed to produce 870HP for 30 hours before the third rule change will now at 670HP likely go 60 or more hours before a rebuild is needed.
Our car was designed to use uprights that for example can be used R/L. Same for many parts reducing number of spares needed and reducing running costs.
LMP2's are priced low but their spare costs are a lot higher than ours will be.
Our LMH tub is a full F1 type CF cell and will survive a very big crash.
40 RWD hybrid HP is silly, expensive and weighs and costs more more than 40 ICE HP.
I could go on.
LMDh $15 figure is from IMSA.
We will design, engineer, build and race a 2 car team for much less than that.
Our LMH will be a 5 year car without further development costs.
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The $15m figure seems a lot but I don't know what it relates to. Development costs for a manufacturer to put an LMDh on the road? Porsche or Ferrari could spend that in a week.

Anyway, an LMP2 rolling chassis (no engine or electronics) is capped at about €500k. Engine lease for a season at €1250/hour, call it €100k per year. Car homologated and run for 4 seasons, €900k. Plus whatever the electronics package costs. Plus spares are capped at 130% of the cost of the car, and you will need to buy some. So at least €1m to buy and run the car for a 4 year cycle.

The LMP2 constructors would sell for a higher price if the rules allowed it. Their model, and the whole point of limiting the number of constructors, is economies of scale. That has worked for Oreca and Ligier. Not so much for Dallara and Riley/Multimatic.

Since Glickenhaus don't have those economies of scale, and will sell you a car that has a shot at winning Le Mans (fingers crossed), and the car is built to order by a boutique supercar manufacturer rather than being a bitsa kit car, €2m seems pretty reasonable to me.
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The $15m figure seems a lot but I don't know what it relates to. Development costs for a manufacturer to put an LMDh on the road? Porsche or Ferrari could spend that in a week.

Anyway, an LMP2 rolling chassis (no engine or electronics) is capped at about €500k. Engine lease for a season at €1250/hour, call it €100k per year. Car homologated and run for 4 seasons, €900k. Plus whatever the electronics package costs. Plus spares are capped at 130% of the cost of the car, and you will need to buy some. So at least €1m to buy and run the car for a 4 year cycle.

The LMP2 constructors would sell for a higher price if the rules allowed it. Their model, and the whole point of limiting the number of constructors, is economies of scale. That has worked for Oreca and Ligier. Not so much for Dallara and Riley/Multimatic.

Since Glickenhaus don't have those economies of scale, and will sell you a car that has a shot at winning Le Mans (fingers crossed), and the car is built to order by a boutique supercar manufacturer rather than being a bitsa kit car, €2m seems pretty reasonable to me.
The key here personally is "a chance to win Le Mans".
I very much doubt and LMDh will have a chance to win Le Mans or for that matter an LMH will have a chance to win Daytona 24...
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And we've already seen how ACO and IMSA agenda pushing has messed things up. Just look at LMP2 and DPI integration at LM that never happened.

That was mostly on IMSA giving in to GM. ACO wanted all LMP2 and DPIs to run the same basic Cosworth/Gibson ECUs. GM wanted to run the same Bosch ECUs that the Corvette DP used in the Cadillac DPI. IMSA let GM have their way and opened up the flood gates on that one.

Not to mention that IMSA allowed DPI cars R&D beyond what the ACO envisioned for LMP2.

Not that the ACO are faultless because LMP2 is damn near a spec Oreca show because even though LMP2 rules allow for BOP, the ACO never implemented it. Which on the economy of scale has allowed Oreca to charge the max price under the cost cap and make significant profits.
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I like the way this car is taking shape, it looks mean in that wind tunnel model.
It is a 60% scale wind tunnel model.
We've completed first of five aero runs.
Results were very good. Car is at the absolute limit of the rules aero wise.
Engine will go on test bench early July.
All good.
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