2009 Grand Prix volunteering forms

[Hepatic]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

I was always told the 3 days at GP dont count....

Funny that, i was always told they do....!

[fazza]

Originally Posted by Motorsportgirli

Cant believe how many no's there has been, I know a few ppl i know were told not to apply as their 12 days included 3 days at the GP last year. We were instructed that these days will not be considered in your application!

If that was the case if they had old us that beforehand I have plenty of other days I could have put down instaead....

[numbersix]

Bloomin' eck, looks like the FIA's Night of the Long Knives. I didn't volunteer this year but those that didn't make it I genuinely feel for. Good luck to those that did make it, hope the weather is kind. Enjoy.

[BeeJ]

Originally Posted by fazza

If that was the case if they had old us that beforehand I have plenty of other days I could have put down instaead....

I put all of the days that I had done in 08 up to the date I sent the form.

[chezza]

Yeah I always put all my dates on the form...not just the first 12! It is suprising to hear the amount of no's...but surely it also means that there are more graded marshals out there to be able to pick from, so that must be a good thing?

[Mike Kelly 1]

Surely the GP volunteering form asks for all the days that you have done in the past year. This will include the days done at the GP that year. If the GP dates were not to be counted then the notes telling you how to fill in the form would say this. I have always put down my GP dates when volunteering.

[Motorsportgirli]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

I did 43 days last year (about 20 on incident) but it was my first season, so I'm guessing that's why I was counted out.

I thought to get through the club approval stage, you had to have done a year after upgrading? Or am i totally confused?

Originally Posted by Mike Kelly 1

Surely the GP volunteering form asks for all the days that you have done in the past year. This will include the days done at the GP that year. If the GP dates were not to be counted then the notes telling you how to fill in the form would say this. I have always put down my GP dates when volunteering.

Yeah we always thought that, but in our club news letter, we had a list of what would be accepted and what wouldnt be counted as issued by the FIA, apparently put into place if hamilton won the world championship, as they expected an rise in the number of applications :S

[kipper]

Originally Posted by Motorsportgirli

I thought to get through the club approval stage, you had to have done a year after upgrading? Or am i totally confused?

I don't think so. From personal experience, I received confimation of my upgrade from trainee to course in September '07 and then marshalled for 12 days with a Course grade between September and November '07 and was accepeted to marshal at last years British Grand Prix.

With regards to whether the Grand Prix counts towards the allocation of 12 days, I was under the impression that these did count. However as the form had space to list more than 12 events and it didn't say to omit any events, I listed all those that I had undertaken at that point of the year.

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

I was always told the 3 days at GP dont count....

All three days at the GP DO COUNT towards your total number required.

[Ian Briggs]

If the GP days dont count then I have got in on less than the 12 or 15 on a couple of years, not this one, just! (i dont bother putting the rallies down!)
This is the first I have ever heard of GP days not counting.
If they dont, why the heck not, the best experience for doing a GP is doing a GP, certainly for flag its a slightly different job than knicker in at Oulton.....
Anyhow, I shall be flagging again, given we are having a chilly winter is it too much to hope for a hot June?
Bad luck to the not selected, I wonder if they will need as many people for Donny?

[Motorsportgirli]

This is what I had to go on for filling my form in!!!!

British GP volunteering.

From the applications received for the British GP 2009 it is obvious that
there is a complete misunderstanding of the application system.
( 1 ) Marshalling at ANY bike race meetings do not count. The super bike
and Moto GP organisations do not accept car race marshalling days!
( 2 ) Marshalling at the ‘Free practice days’ before an event does not
count, they are not part of the MSA permitted event
( 3 ) I have recommended to the GP organisers that Marshals ( Incident /
Course but NOT flag ) and Post Chiefs can submit a couple of Rallycross
days as part of their application … but NOT ten days Rallycross
marshalling! … abuse of the agreement may mean it could be cancelled.
( 4 ) Training days do not count
( 5 ) Days at the 2008 GP do not count.
( 6 ) Sprint / Hillclimb days do not count.
If Lewis wins the world title in Brazil, the line of 12 days on race events

may be the minimum entry level for all marshals

As taken from my club newsletter - As per Mr Bob Wright
http://www.darlington-motor-club.org...DMC_News_1.pdf

[Nighthawk]

motorsportgirli no 4, 5, 6 on list is what i was told by the MSA back in 1998 on my first application......

[Motorsportgirli]

nighthawk, i didnt edit the list i just posted the whole lot, not saying that any of it hadnt already been said

[Mike Kelly 1]

Thats the first time I've seen that in print. Doesn't say who set those parameters though!

[PapaJuliet]

Originally Posted by Motorsportgirli

( 5 ) Days at "the"2008 GP do not count.

Days at "the" 2008 GP don't count???

Weren't there 18 (or 17 or 19) GP last year?

Does that mean none of the GP count? If not, what is so special about "the" 2008 GP?

Theoretically, somebody could do all the European GP, maybe a couple of extras, say 10 events, 30 days of proper GP experience (which somebody said earlier must surely be the best experience for doing the GP). Does that mean that this hypothetical marshal has no relevant experience?

PJ

ps sorry, Motorsportgirli, I'm not picking on you... it was just your quote I picked up

[Guinness2702]

Originally Posted by Motorsportgirli

I thought to get through the club approval stage, you had to have done a year after upgrading? Or am i totally confused?

According to the "guidelines for completion of marshalling form"

1. Marshals to have completed a minimum of 12 marshalling days in the calendar year to qualify for nomination

7. Nominations from 'novice' officials will not be accepted.

There is nothing there about period of time at a specific grade.
Further, Chris's letter says in relation to grade only that "Applications from novice/trainee officials unfortunately cannot be accepted."

My assumption, therefore, is that as long as you are graded Track, and have done 12 days, you will at least be considered.

[Motorsportgirli]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

According to the "guidelines for completion of marshalling form"

1. Marshals to have completed a minimum of 12 marshalling days in the calendar year to qualify for nomination

7. Nominations from 'novice' officials will not be accepted.

There is nothing there about period of time at a specific grade.
Further, Chris's letter says in relation to grade only that "Applications from novice/trainee officials unfortunately cannot be accepted."

My assumption, therefore, is that as long as you are graded Track, and have done 12 days, you will at least be considered.

Cheers guinness, like i said i could of been completely confused and i was (happens often as i am a woman) Maybe i should read the guidelines bit before filling the form in!!

PJ - No worries, i just posted that up as there was a few doubts over why ppl had been told about gp days not counting, just backing up that i had seen it!!

disclaimer - The posted item is not my personal view

[BeeJ]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

According to the "guidelines for completion of marshalling form"

1. Marshals to have completed a minimum of 12 marshalling days in the calendar year to qualify for nomination

7. Nominations from 'novice' officials will not be accepted.

There is nothing there about period of time at a specific grade.
Further, Chris's letter says in relation to grade only that "Applications from novice/trainee officials unfortunately cannot be accepted."

My assumption, therefore, is that as long as you are graded Track, and have done 12 days, you will at least be considered.

When I questioned this last year I was told it was 12 days at duty not 12 days at grade. This year that was relaxed even more as at Track grade you now flag aswell as incident so if you did flag to help the orginisers out (once they find out you can flag you get asked more I found) but technically you are not a flag marshal until you reach Experienced Track. I was concerned as my main priority is to help the meeting run so did not want to restrict the duties I did just to be able to volunteer for one race.

[BeeJ]

Just had an email from the MSA requesting volunteers for the Hight Speed tests on the Thursday.

[Nighthawk]

yeh thats normal I did it one year and found it boring.

[rotorboy]

Just a thought for all successful applicants but you might want to be careful about posting the reply card back, I'm putting mine in an envelope as I don't particularly like the idea of having my name, address, dob, email address and contact phone numbers on display as it wings its way through the postal service (no disrespect to any PO workers out there but it's just me being ultra cautious in these times of identity fraud). Bearing this in mind it might be worth IMS including a prepaid reply envelope instead next year...

PS got the email about the Thurs tests too, I'm gonna do it I think.

[Woolley]

Curious that hillclimb and sprint are discounted. I would suggest the average speed marshal handles a lot more broken single seaters than a circuit marshal does.

Also interesting to note that on those criteria, had I volunteered then despite marshalling for 36 days last year and handling many incidents I probably wouldn't have got in...

[Motorsportgirli]

Just got the email about high speed testing, tis ok if you have nothing else to do, I myself will be found with a beer in hand relaxing before the friday. I've done it once for the experience but shall let others volunteer to watch the safety and doctors car wizz round for a few hrs

[Alan Green]

On the other hand, get out there early enough and you'll see some of the drivers walking or jogging round the track with their physios or team or whoever - no spectators, no cameras, a bit of their own time.

That nice young chap who finished fifth in Brazil was wandering around last year when we we're setting up, very pleasant few minutes chatting with him about the weekend ahead (which he won, might go on to do big things I think... )

Other than that, it's a reasonably 'steady' hour or two's work, nice if the sun's shining and you can top up your tan, but otherwise...

[Mike Kelly 1]

Originally Posted by Alan Green

Other than that, it's a reasonably 'steady' hour or two's work, nice if the sun's shining and you can top up your tan, but otherwise...

Its two hours less drinking time!