FIA GT GT1 FIA = GT1 ACO according to Stephane Ratel - Page 10

AFC-911 · 20 Oct 2009, 03:14 (Ref:2565148)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

So, you would prefer they just not race then? The problem is that the FIA and ACO rules really penalize turbo charged engines. If it were possible to compete with a turbo engine, then they would have likely run a Turbo V6. However, they didn't design the car to be a race car first, but a road car.

I would like to see them race, but it's almost like the BMW M3 GTR all over again.

Besides, they can always build a homologation special. I would also like to see them go up against Ferrari, Porsche, Corvette & BMW.

The359 · 20 Oct 2009, 09:53 (Ref:2565274)

Interview with Stephane Ratel.

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-2716.html

From my understanding of the translation, there are indeed 7 manufacturers fighting for 6 spots. Nissan, Ford, and Lamborghini have priority, then Aston Martin and Corvette because they need technical waivers, and then Maserati and Saleen at the bottom of the list because they need technical waivers and need a waiver for not meeting the 300 production car minimum.

However it seems Maserati requested first and has had their requests approved by the GT Bureau and the other manufacturers, so Saleen is likely to not be approved. It does however mention that if another manufacturer is unable to enter in 2010, then the Saleen will be allowed in.

It also seems that the GT2 series will use the 2x 1-hour races format when they share events with GT1. 6 races in this format, 2 races in the normal 2-hour race format, and then Spa.

mirkob · 20 Oct 2009, 09:59 (Ref:2565276)

Why dont approve anyway the Saleen S7R, to allow Larbre/KplusK and so on to run them in Le Mans Series (for example)? ACO said "all FIA GT1 cars will be allowed"

I dont understand :-S

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2009, 10:02 (Ref:2565281)

The Super GT to FIA GT1-rules rumor resurfaces again.

I wonder what that would mean for GT300 and if they'd have to switch to GT2-regs, with the current GT300 cars being about as fast as the new GT1s.

**joeb** · 20 Oct 2009, 17:54 (Ref:2565597)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

The Super GT to FIA GT1-rules rumor resurfaces again.

I wonder what that would mean for GT300 and if they'd have to switch to GT2-regs, with the current GT300 cars being about as fast as the new GT1s.

That article also brings the Lexus GT1 back into the picture - of course they couldn't run in 2010 in the FIA championship if all the manufacturer spots are taken.... So maybe LeMans in 2010? or just holding off until 2011?

The359 · 20 Oct 2009, 18:59 (Ref:2565633)

The E-I piece mentions that the Corvette, Aston Martin, Maserati, and Saleen exemptions are for 2 years, so Lexus could potentially be blocked until 2012.

MJ_N_09 · 20 Oct 2009, 23:08 (Ref:2565821)

That's kind of lame that a new make will be kept out.

fiend540 · 20 Oct 2009, 23:25 (Ref:2565831)

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Originally Posted by MJ_N_09

That's kind of lame that a new make will be kept out.

eh, AFAIK the lexus isn't a production car, and so it doesn't really fit with the other gt cars imo. When they decide to produce a road variant of the car, then I will be all for it.

rich07 · 20 Oct 2009, 23:27 (Ref:2565832)

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Originally Posted by MJ_N_09

That's kind of lame that a new make will be kept out.

Yes it is. Ratel is shooting himself in the foot with limiting the number of manufacturers allowed in the new GT1. This will hurt him financially, I would be amazed if he has not taken this into account. If the manufacturers want to sell cars built to these new rules that he so desperately wants to adopt to teams to race in FIA GT1 then they shouldnt be blocked from doing so.

Everyone should be welcome. The only limit to the size of the grid should be the circuits themselves.

And I hope SRO has a big rethink about taking GT1 out of Spa, it's stupid.

rich07 · 20 Oct 2009, 23:29 (Ref:2565833)

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dxk1 · 20 Oct 2009, 23:33 (Ref:2565835)

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Originally Posted by MJ_N_09

That's kind of lame that a new make will be kept out.

This whole limit on the number of makes allowed to compete is kind of confusing and, as has been stated, kind of self-defeating. I'm wondering, is this 6-make limit for the 2010 FIA-GT, proposed World Championship, and LMS in Europe? It seems ALMS will probably not have any GT1s, but if they did, are they also stuck with only the 6 makes listed?

DK

Jonerz · 20 Oct 2009, 23:47 (Ref:2565843)

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Originally Posted by fiend540

eh, AFAIK the lexus isn't a production car, and so it doesn't really fit with the other gt cars imo. When they decide to produce a road variant of the car, then I will be all for it.

I think the LF-A is to what you refer and it will be debuted at the Japanese(?) Auto Show later this year, to be put on sale as a road car.

Chris

rich07 · 20 Oct 2009, 23:52 (Ref:2565844)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

I think the LF-A is to what you refer and it will be debuted at the Japanese(?) Auto Show later this year, to be put on sale as a road car.

Chris

Apparently its a few hours away from being revealed in production form at Tokyo Auto show.
There's a teaser up on youtube of the unrevealed production car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTfR...layer_embedded
If they build a production car they should be able to race it, if the MC12 was allowed to race then so should this. And its aimed at the GT-R so it would be a good case to build a GT1 version to take on the GT-R in FIA GT.

HORNDAWG · 21 Oct 2009, 00:00 (Ref:2565849)

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Originally Posted by rich07

Apparently its a few hours away from being revealed in production form at Tokyo Auto show.
There's a teaser up on youtube of the unrevealed production car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTfR...layer_embedded
If they build a production car they should be able to race it, if the MC12 was allowed to race then so should this. And its aimed at the GT-R so it would be a good case to build a GT1 version to take on the GT-R in FIA GT.

Show is now open to the press.

9:00am Tokyo

L.P.

rich07 · 21 Oct 2009, 01:05 (Ref:2565875)

Ah timezones......

Purist · 21 Oct 2009, 01:33 (Ref:2565885)

These limits are only in place in FIA GT1 specifically. The six-make, 24-car limit is to allow the whole operation to be flown to the overseas events on a single cargo aircraft.

Mal · 21 Oct 2009, 07:25 (Ref:2565991)

The ACO has said that it will allow any car eligible for FIA GT1 does that mean any car built to the regs or just those from the chosen manufacturers??

Fogelhund · 21 Oct 2009, 09:45 (Ref:2566092)

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Originally Posted by Mal

The ACO has said that it will allow any car eligible for FIA GT1 does that mean any car built to the regs or just those from the chosen manufacturers??

Any car built to those regs.

tlracing · 21 Oct 2009, 10:10 (Ref:2566117)

So it looks from Ratel's comments that the Maserati will be in, but not the Saleen...that surely raises some questions:

- How many of each have been built?
- Apart from the Nissan, none of the other accepted cars can rally be described as 'new' (which is one of his criteria)?
- Why the limit on 6 manufacturers?
- Do we really want to watch six sets of four cars, all artificially 'performance-equalised'?

The trouble with SRO is it is utterly inconsistent in its management:

- At one time you were more likely to get an FIA GT entry if you had a 'different' car
- They have variously stated they either "do" or "don't" want to rely on manufacturers
- They have variously wanted the championship to be "all professional" then "pro-am" then "to attract the gentleman driver"
- It was supposed to be endurance racing, now it's sprint racing

Bored now.

NightStalk3r · 21 Oct 2009, 10:30 (Ref:2566131)

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Originally Posted by tlracing

So it looks from Ratel's comments that the Maserati will be in, but not the Saleen...that surely raises some questions:

- How many of each have been built?
- Apart from the Nissan, none of the other accepted cars can rally be described as 'new' (which is one of his criteria)?
- Why the limit on 6 manufacturers?
- Do we really want to watch six sets of four cars, all artificially 'performance-equalised'?

The trouble with SRO is it is utterly inconsistent in its management:

- At one time you were more likely to get an FIA GT entry if you had a 'different' car
- They have variously stated they either "do" or "don't" want to rely on manufacturers
- They have variously wanted the championship to be "all professional" then "pro-am" then "to attract the gentleman driver"
- It was supposed to be endurance racing, now it's sprint racing

Bored now.

I agree 100%, needless to say, this will probably be the last year i follow FIA GT, the 2010 rules are just plain stupid.

Mal · 21 Oct 2009, 14:50 (Ref:2566358)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Any car built to those regs.

That could well provide a boost to the ACO then as any manufacturers beyond the six that are interested will have to race in LMS.

Perhaps that is where the rumoured Lexus is headed?

PorscheFanNo1 · 21 Oct 2009, 15:12 (Ref:2566379)

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Originally Posted by Mal

Perhaps that is where the rumoured Lexus is headed?

Or they knows something about what SuperGT will be like in 2011 and dont want to risk Nissan getting a head start?

Speed-King · 21 Oct 2009, 15:50 (Ref:2566409)

FIA GT1 schedule 2010

Rodger Davies · 21 Oct 2009, 16:05 (Ref:2566421)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

FIA GT1 schedule 2010

very interesting. Disappointed to lose the 1000km from the Nurburgring, only if Monza comes back will there be an adequate replacement.

I guess it'll be in English press soon but does the article clarify whether the GT1 will be running 24 hours at Spa?

The JGTC links are also interesting - if that one comes off I can see this stupid thing actually working. Not keen on the sprint racing or the legality of cars but I'll still be impressed if it all works out.

Thought some rounds may be GP support, especially outside Europe, but it would appear not, even if some are close.

gino · 21 Oct 2009, 16:12 (Ref:2566433)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

I guess it'll be in English press soon but does the article clarify whether the GT1 will be running 24 hours at Spa?

At Spa 2010: GT2 run 24h, the new GT1 2 x 1h .....

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