NZV8s - Page 10

Southern Man · 24 Jul 2014, 20:30 (Ref:3437454)

For God's sake you two guys and everyone else out there, put your handbags away and stop taking cheap shots at each other. The rest of us here have had a gutsful of this petty sniping and it is a total distraction to the point that people are turning away from participating on Ten tenths. There has been a lot of good stuff on here in the past but it keeps being spoilt by negativity and petty small mindedness from nit picking underachievers and retaliation from others with many able to swap these roles with ease.

promax · 24 Jul 2014, 21:53 (Ref:3437489)

courtesy of Total Lubricants..

**Woolley** · 24 Jul 2014, 23:09 (Ref:3437512)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southern Man

For God's sake you two guys and everyone else out there, put your handbags away and stop taking cheap shots at each other. The rest of us here have had a gutsful of this petty sniping and it is a total distraction to the point that people are turning away from participating on Ten tenths. There has been a lot of good stuff on here in the past but it keeps being spoilt by negativity and petty small mindedness from nit picking underachievers and retaliation from others with many able to swap these roles with ease.

What he said. The usual junk removed. Stop wasting my time, guys, because I'm getting close to chucking a few people out.

E36ST · 24 Jul 2014, 23:37 (Ref:3437521)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

... I'm getting close to chucking a few people out.

Yes please.

BlueBlood · 27 Jul 2014, 09:58 (Ref:3438658)

News from NZV8

http://nzv8touringcars.co.nz/the-fut...-and-exciting/

KRDG · 27 Jul 2014, 11:03 (Ref:3438682)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBlood

News from NZV8

http://nzv8touringcars.co.nz/the-fut...-and-exciting/

This from the release..............

At this stage the TL class will be the only V8 class to have a MSNZ Championship this coming season which is great news for up and coming young NZ drivers as it shows commitment to the TL class by MSNZ.

You have to be kidding. Who makes these decisions.

Don't answer that.

Why not give the TL's the Motorcup and let them contest the NZIGP as well. The TRS grid can win some jelly beans in the all comers single seater grade races.

Lets put it another way.... Its like giving two third grade rugby clubs the ability to play for the Bledisloe Cup and then telling the All blacks and Wallabies to play for chocolate fish.

This better get changed in a hurry.

Goat Boy · 27 Jul 2014, 20:21 (Ref:3438992)

Yes I read that too and re-read it again - so the slowest, oldest cars with arguably the slowest drivers (because they're young and inexperienced) will have a championship while the other two with faster cars and better drivers (particularly ST) will be running for glory only? This shows that the people in MSNZ making the decisions still do not know their ar*es from their elbows.

pukekoheracer · 27 Jul 2014, 21:18 (Ref:3439017)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBlood

News from NZV8

http://nzv8touringcars.co.nz/the-fut...-and-exciting/

We at least they seem to have some sort of Calendar, even if its 4 rounds at this point. Who ever is Building the Ross car had better pull finger if they are to make the first round, if going by the photo on here the other day.

And did I read that there are TLX cars for lease, any ideas which ones?

promax · 27 Jul 2014, 22:26 (Ref:3439040)

more ****ing and moaning from the same people *shakes head*

NZSTfan · 28 Jul 2014, 01:11 (Ref:3439085)

I read that article too, and can understand peoples frustration around this.

However, who really cares about a 'gold star' from a dysfunctional sport body?

Ask anyone at ST and they would like to see the championship awarded the gold star, but only as a gesture of recognition of the class and what it has done. What does concern them more though is the championship just by itself. A V8ST Enduro/Sprint/Team/Overall trophy is more important, and I would argue recognised as more important on a global scale. Yes I know the gold star will have some sort of FIA recognition, but that won't get any driver anywhere to be fair if its been dished out by MSNZ. And if this is true (i.e. only the TL's will be eligible for gold star) then MSNZ have once again shot themselves in the foot by awarding the star to the slowest, oldest, most archaic V8 racers that resemble taxis. I can't speak for the TLX camp, but I do think its a bit of a slap in the face for them to be in their 3rd year and to not have the same status s the TL cars, which lets face it, are from last century.

So, the positives from this is that compared to this time last year there is more cohesion between the two V8 groups (V8ST and NZV8TC). And they will be doing 4 rounds together, with the mention of one special round with a 'twist in the tail' or something to that effect. God only knows what this twist is, but hey, the two groups are liaising with each other and are having open dialogue with a core focus of fans, sponsors and the sport in general. They are even talking about the 2015/16 season as well, so this is surely a good thing?

The negatives are that the actual MSNZ recognised championship, once again favours the old bangers. Why they have elected to do that is beyond me, and for that reason alone, I say stuff 'em. V8ST and now TLX must be considered the terrible tearaways, but they just need to focus on what they do, make their individual and non-recognised championships as good as possible, and give the proverbial to MSNZ for not backing the right horse.

So to me this is just another short sighted stuff up from MSNZ, and like I said before, I would not want to have anything to do with them if I was racing cars in this country.

But on the flip, V8ST and TLX are working with each other for the betterment of the sport, and for that alone, I applaud the 2 groups, and will be backing them to the hilt.

My 2 cents anyway

Hope everyone is having a good Monday

Stu

promax · 28 Jul 2014, 01:28 (Ref:3439088)

2014/2015 season

R1 Nov 1-2 Hampton Downs ST
R2 Nov 29-30 Pukekohe ST
R3 Jan 17-18 Ruapuna TRS
R4 Jan 24-25 Teretonga TRS
R5 Feb 14-15 Manfeild TRS GP
R6 Apr 24-25 Pukekohe V8SC

promax · 28 Jul 2014, 01:48 (Ref:3439090)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

However, who really cares about a 'gold star' from a dysfunctional sport body?

agree! people for the past few years in here have complained the TLX class doesn't deserve it and the ST doesn't need it. not awarding a 'gold star' is hardly a surprise considering both sides are still sorting things out. not sure why people are upset to be honest? non issue

promax · 28 Jul 2014, 01:51 (Ref:3439091)

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRDG

This from the release..............

At this stage the TL class will be the only V8 class to have a MSNZ Championship this coming season which is great news for up and coming young NZ drivers as it shows commitment to the TL class by MSNZ.

You have to be kidding. Who makes these decisions.

Don't answer that.

Why not give the TL's the Motorcup and let them contest the NZIGP as well. The TRS grid can win some jelly beans in the all comers single seater grade races.

Lets put it another way.... Its like giving two third grade rugby clubs the ability to play for the Bledisloe Cup and then telling the All blacks and Wallabies to play for chocolate fish.

This better get changed in a hurry.

who said TRS aren't a MSNZ Championship class? it's not like the TL class is the only one

on_to_it · 28 Jul 2014, 01:54 (Ref:3439092)

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Originally Posted by promax

who said TRS aren't a MSNZ Championship class? it's not like the TL class is the only one

He's Kidding Really Didn't Go through the press release properly.

promax · 28 Jul 2014, 01:57 (Ref:3439093)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

He's Kidding Really Didn't Go through the press release properly.

LMAO ok.. that's a good one!

Goat Boy · 28 Jul 2014, 02:25 (Ref:3439103)

Let's just say that in spite of MSNZ the two classes are talking to each other openly, planning their calendars together and racing at the same events (although at this stage it doesn't look to be in the same actual race as yet).

Which has got to be a good thing. So well done and keep it up!

There! That was not negative was it?

NZSTfan · 28 Jul 2014, 02:50 (Ref:3439113)

That's very well done GB

....zero negativity in that post.

And I agree with you (as mentioned in my previous post) that the good thing is they are doing some things together and working towards a common goal - I think!

And on_to_it....you crack me up mate

Southern Man · 28 Jul 2014, 03:43 (Ref:3439129)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

I read that article too, and can understand peoples frustration around this.

Yes I know the gold star will have some sort of FIA recognition, but that won't get any driver anywhere to be fair if its been dished out by MSNZ.

What ever has given you the idea that the Gold Star has some sort of FIA recognition, it certainly is not listed on the FIA website nor in any material I have ever read from them over the past years

Perhaps you can enlighten me by posting the appropriate link

NZSTfan · 28 Jul 2014, 03:52 (Ref:3439134)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southern Man

What ever has given you the idea that the Gold Star has some sort of FIA recognition, it certainly is not listed on the FIA website nor in any material I have ever read from them over the past years

Perhaps you can enlighten me by posting the appropriate link

Thanks Carl. I just assumed that being dished out by MSNZ would therefore mean that there is some sort of FIA recognition as MSNZ is accredited/endorsed or whatever by the FIA - is it not?

Now that I know that there is no FIA 'flavour' for the gold star championship, then that makes this decision by MSNZ even more pointless. You get a gold star if you win in a TL, and it means next to nothing.

What is sad is the people who have spent X amount of $$ building new TLX's etc and they seem to get forgotten about by the one outfit that backed their idea a few years ago - hence the slap in the face as mentioned in a previous post.

Thanks Carl for bringing this to my attention, I appreciate it

and I trust all is well with you.

cheers

Stu

pukekoheracer · 28 Jul 2014, 04:05 (Ref:3439136)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Thanks Carl. I just assumed that being dished out by MSNZ would therefore mean that there is some sort of FIA recognition as MSNZ is accredited/endorsed or whatever by the FIA - is it not?

Now that I know that there is no FIA 'flavour' for the gold star championship, then that makes this decision by MSNZ even more pointless. You get a gold star if you win in a TL, and it means next to nothing.

What is sad is the people who have spent X amount of $$ building new TLX's etc and they seem to get forgotten about by the one outfit that backed their idea a few years ago - hence the slap in the face as mentioned in a previous post.

Thanks Carl for bringing this to my attention, I appreciate it

and I trust all is well with you.

cheers

Stu

Shouldn't it be dished out to first New Zealander in the TRS or the Grand Prix

flyingduck · 28 Jul 2014, 05:08 (Ref:3439140)

, in the 1956/57 season the Association of New Zealand Car Clubs instituted a Gold Star Driver's Award for Race (Single Seater class), Hillclimbs and Trials. Racing has evolved over the years in New Zealand into two distinct categories, Single Seater and Saloons. To truly recognise this at premier level in the 1996/97 season a Gold Star Saloon was introduced as an adjunct to the other Gold Star Single Seater award.

2013/14 A. Tang (Sin), Toyota Tatuus
2012/13 N. Cassidy, Toyota Tatuus
2011/12 N. Cassidy, Toyota Tatuus
2010/11 M. Evans, Toyota Tatuus
2009/10 M. Evans, Toyota Tatuus
2008/09 M. Cunningham, Toyota Tatuus
2007/08 A. Knight, Toyota Tatuus
2006/07 D. Gaunt, Toyota Tatuus
2005/06 D. Gaunt, Toyota Tatuus
2004/05 Not Contested
2003/04 T. Edgell, Formula Ford
2002/03 J. Reid, Formula Ford
2001/02 F. Coulthard, Formula Ford
2000/01 A. Booth, Fomula Holden
1999/2000 S. Wills, Formula Holden
1998/99 S. Wills, Formula Holden
1997/98 Not Contested
1996/97 Not Contested
1995/96 Not Contested
1994/95 G. Murphy, Formula Brabham
1993/94 G. Murphy, Formula Brabham
1992/93 C. Baird, Reynard
1991/92 C. Baird, Reynard
1990/91 C. Baird, Swift
1989/90 K.J. Smith, Swift
1988/89 D. Hall, USA, Swift
1987/88 P. Radisich, Ralt RT4
1986/87 K.J. Smith, Ralt RT4
1985/86 Not Contested
1984/85 K.J. Smith, Ralt RT4
1983/84 K.J. Smith, Ralt RT4
1982/83 Not Contested
1981/82 R.D. Oxton, Ralt RT4
1980/81 R.D. Oxton, Ralt Ford
1979/80 D.H. McMillan, Ralt-Ford
1978/79 D.H. McMillan, Ralt-Ford
1977/78 R.P. Stone, Cuda-Ford
1976/77 D.H. McMillan, Ralt-Ford
1975/76 K.J. Smith, Lola-Chevrolet
1974/75 G.H. Lawrence, Lola-Chevrolet
1973/74 R.D. Oxton, Begg-Chevrolet
1972/73 R.D. Oxton, Begg-Chevrolet
1971/72 R.D. Oxton, Begg-Chevrolet
1970/71 G.H. Lawrence, Ferrari
1969/70 G.P. McRae, Begg-Chev (and McLaren-Chev)
1968/69 R.A. Levis, Brabham-FVA
1967/68 K.J. Palmer, McLaren-FVA
1966/67 R.A. Levis, Brabham-Ford
1965/66 K.J. Palmer, Lotus-Climax
1964/65 K.J. Palmer, Brabham-Climax
1963/64 K.J. Palmer, Cooper-Climax
1962/63 A.N. Hyslop, Cooper-Climax
1961/62 P.M. Hoare, Ferrari
1960/61 D.C. Hulme, Cooper-Climax
1959/60 S.H. Jensen, Cooper-Climax
1958/59 B. McLaren, Cooper-Climax
1957/58 W.P.R. Jensen, Maserati
1956/57 W.P.R. Jensen, Ferrari (and Austin Healey

Saloons

013/14 Not Contested
2012/13 A.J. Lauder, Ford Falcon BA
2011/12 A. Fogg, Ford Falcon BA
2010/11 J. McIntyre, Ford Falcon BA
2009/10 C. Baird MNZM, Ford Falcon BA
2008/09 K. Scott, Ford Falcon BA
2007/08 J. McIntyre, Ford Falcon BA
2006/07 J. McIntyre, Ford Falcon BA
2005/06 K. Scott, Holden Commodore VY
2004/05 A. Booth, Holden Commodore VY
2003/04 Not Contested
2002/03 Not Contested
2001/02 P. Pedersen, TraNZam
2000/01 A. Stichbury, TraNZam
1999/2000 C. Baird, TraNZam
1998/99 S. Drake, TraNZam
1997/98 Not Contested
1996/97 A. Stichbury, TraNZam

flyingduck · 28 Jul 2014, 05:33 (Ref:3439143)

There is only 1 Saloon gold star given out each year, so they must have decided even with the up coming merging of the TLX and V8ST that they wanted to keep the Premier class in NZ as the TL class.

Southern Man · 28 Jul 2014, 05:56 (Ref:3439148)

"At this stage the TL class will be the only V8 class to have a MSNZ Championship this coming season which is great news for up and coming young NZ drivers as it shows commitment to the TL class by MSNZ."

Within this extract I see nothing that even suggests that the Gold Star is being awarded to this class. You need to lock into your minds that the Gold Star is not awarded to every championship class and that no announcement has been made about the awarding of the Gold Star to any saloon car based class. Yet !

However what I do suspect will happen is that if the two factions continue to work together in their endeavour to bring Supertourers and TLX together then the Gold Star may well be awarded to that combined category as the winner of the premier saloon car class racing in NZ. Just my idea, hope it works.

Now back to wasting time looking at the NZ Rallying History FB page. Cheers guys

raymond · 28 Jul 2014, 06:15 (Ref:3439152)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southern Man

"At this stage the TL class will be the only V8 class to have a MSNZ Championship this coming season which is great news for up and coming young NZ drivers as it shows commitment to the TL class by MSNZ."

Within this extract I see nothing that even suggests that the Gold Star is being awarded to this class. You need to lock into your minds that the Gold Star is not awarded to every championship class and that no announcement has been made about the awarding of the Gold Star to any saloon car based class. Yet !

However what I do suspect will happen is that if the two factions continue to work together in their endeavour to bring Supertourers and TLX together then the Gold Star may well be awarded to that combined category as the winner of the premier saloon car class racing in NZ. Just my idea, hope it works.

Now back to wasting time looking at the NZ Rallying History FB page. Cheers guys

Exactly.
No decision has been confirmed, as MSNZ (me?) is waiting to hear back from the COG as to their final decision. Have they keep to their plan or disintergrated as a group into self-interested parties?
Maybe someone has jumped the gun with a press release? ...or maybe someone is provoking this discussion?

Expected to see the same anti MSNZ sentiment from the same people. Strange as we (me) has kept right out of these discussions to let the groups work together to find a solution. Remember that the solution that the ALL circuits of the COG agreed to was no V8's unless they all start in the same grid. That would make the decision of awarding a Championship so much easier and that is what I'm waiting for.

raymond · 28 Jul 2014, 06:17 (Ref:3439155)

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Originally Posted by pukekoheracer

Shouldn't it be dished out to first New Zealander in the TRS or the Grand Prix

There is a Gold Star for premier saloon class and another Gold Star for premier single seaters

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