[VASC16R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000: 6-9 Oct (WITH POLL)

[Tourer]

So it is an Appeal from 888, not a protest as originally reported: http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/09/...eal-explained/
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/09/...d-bull-appeal/

Heard by an Appeal court and the team & stewards both give evidence. Hopefully will be heard very soon as the result is subject to the Appeal.

Based on what is in those links, sounds to me like it could go either way.

[Umai Naa]

There are several precedents they can draw upon.

[DV_08]

Whincup needed a penalty of some sort for hitting the Volvo off and I think that was an appropriate one. He was all out of shape when he made contact.

[Umai Naa]

To be fair, he was in the process of serving that penalty, when Mr Tander played skittles.

[Ospi]

Serving the penalty safely is a requirement and coming off throttle on the racing line isn't how you achieve it. Scotty Macs re entry was also very messy. Was one big cluster ****.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Ospi

Serving the penalty safely is a requirement and coming off throttle on the racing line isn't how you achieve it. Scotty Macs re entry was also very messy. Was one big cluster ****.

Agreed on Scotty Mac, but conversely I could make the point that it is the car behind's role to not hit a car in front, regardless of whether or not it lifted off.

[Ospi]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Agreed on Scotty Mac, but conversely I could make the point that it is the car behind's role to not hit a car in front, regardless of whether or not it lifted off.

In which case no v8s driver should ever race closer than a few car lengths just incase the one ahead suddenly decides to lift in an acceleration zone.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Nope.

Yes. McLaren

[mayhem]

Could be counter-argued that Will Davison never actually raced the 88 car in the closing stages as he was told that a 15 second penalty was to be handed down to that car?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Could be counter-argued that Will Davison never actually raced the 88 car in the closing stages as he was told that a 15 second penalty was to be handed down to that car?

Unfortunately it just isn't relevant.

What is relevant is what offense occurred and what penalties are in the rules for such.

If RBRA are right (and I am not sure I'd go against them), it may well be that the penalty goes against the precedents set by the officials themselves, despite how catastrophic the ultimate end result was after the cascading events.

[Woolley]

A good sleep had, back on IK time now!

Impressive finish, the right result I think.

Ironic that the redress rule arguably caused a bigger shunt than the one that led to it. Let the incident finish, then wherever the wronged driver ends up, then that's where the one at fault ends up. Whincup backing off to do the right thing then wronged Tander twice. He had to be penalised as a result, but it's a shame that was the result of a driver actually having a go and I wouldn't criticize him for it. That's racing.

Brilliant defence by Davison holding off Gis. I think Shane had overtaken more cars than everyone else put together and it was no mean feat to hold him off. Gis put in almost the perfect drive.

But the last non-safety car. Kind of everything wrong about that. Car in an extremely dangerous position - the possibilities of a car arriving without brakes to find that doesn't bear thinking about. It had to be removed. Failing that, then after two laps when everyone had seen it, the yellows should have been withdrawn to let them race because there was no longer any reason to warn them.

Great race, though, glad I stayed up. Having the live timing running really helped, although because of the wonders of digital it was running about 5 seconds ahead of the race!

[MattV]

Could it be argued that Scot Mac was re entering the track safely (ahead of Whincup) and that GT in his hurry to be first is responsible?

If GT bided his time to Murray's Corner he likely picks one of them off that lap...

Disappointing event all round.

[GTRMagic]

It might give the bods in Race Control the authority to issue a PLP for such incidences instead of a time penalty. If nothing else, a PLP is inarguable... and the results on the road at the end of the day are those that can be broadcast all around the place

Coming back from Bathurst in the (very) early hours of this morning, the radio news bulletins are shouting the Davison/Webb win, but also the 888 protest...

Complete madness...

[Tourer]

Phil Brock isn't a Whincup / 888 fan it would seem:http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorspo...09-gryfn7.html

Mercedes has withdrawn its protest against Mr Verstappen from the Japanese GP - maybe sets a tone for 888?http://www.autosport.com/news/report...tappen-protest

Protests & Appeals happen, they are part of the sport but win or lose, I feel that 888 are going to look like sore losers. Such a shame in many ways after a day where they excelled on track.

[Terry S]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

To be fair, he was in the process of serving that penalty, when Mr Tander played skittles.

I think it was absolute madness on TANDER'S part to go charging into a gap that didn't exist. He got his just deserves?

[Trev Campbell]

Originally Posted by Ospi

Serving the penalty safely is a requirement and coming off throttle on the racing line isn't how you achieve it. Scotty Macs re entry was also very messy. Was one big cluster ****.

This pretty much sums it up. JW desereved some sort of penalty. The 15 second one sounded fair, but then opens up this 888 appeal debacle. Whereas a drive throught would have been overly harsh but would have ended with an established result.

I also don't think 888 have a leg to stand on. During the race Rick Kelly had to serve a 10 or 15 second penalty for contact with Pither. Same deal but it's been added to his race time because no more pit stops were going to occur.

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by Terry S

I think it was absolute madness on TANDER'S part to go charging into a gap that didn't exist. He got his just deserves?

Not at all. If whincup wants to redress asap to minimize losses that's fine but it can't impede any other driver. While slowing for Scotty he impeded, possibly blocked tander to limit his losses. Then having Scotty barreling back on, tander not knowing wether to overtake or not and you have a recipe for disaster.

Whincup should have just kept racing, you know like race drivers are meant to do and let the officials officiate.

[Mixer]

The problem we have is this. Redress has come along because people were getting unduly penalised for a genuine mistake by getting a PLP when all they did was slide into someone or bump them wide. But with recent races the redress seems to cause more issues than it solves. Unfortunately the fault for the carnage is at McLaughlin's feet really, Whincup started the chain of events and Tander was more or less an innocent party.

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[Matt]

Bathurst never fails to be the single best motor race in the world every year.

[Average Punter]

Willy D should thank the boneheads in race control for taking out a prime passing spot with the ridiculous local yellows for Todd's car....

It clearly needed a Safety Car!

The fact that's there's only a few laps to go should never compromise safety.......

[GTRMagic]

"Whincup Was Robbed" - Bowe

"Red Bull Appeal A Long Shot" - Webb



Now.. if they had just issued a PLP to #88...

[Mixer]

If me auntie had balls she'd be me uncle...

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[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Now.. if they had just issued a PLP to #88...

But as we all know, they stopped doing that for low level driving infringements as it was seen as too big a penalty in many cases.

Just goes to show that very few on-track issues are actually the same as each other.

What I saw was three hard, uncompromising racers going at it for the win of the year's biggest race and poo happened. JW and SMc contributed to the first touch, JMc to the unsafe re-entry and GT was probably the least guilty of the three, jinking right to get around the slowing JW at the same time that SMc jinked left out of the grass.

[GTRMagic]

[Malfunction Junction]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sour grapes? He's just as vulnerable to being given a penalty for failing to give the others racing room. He did after all nearly punt whincup off in the middle of it. They all managed to avoid James Moffat, smokescreen and all.......

Whincup will most likely get his penalty reduced to 10 seconds, same as Rick Kelly, who was even further out of control when he took the poo bandits off.


None of that incident was as wrong as leaving toddler stuck in the sand that winter bottom had barrelled through.