USCC (leave your axe outside)

[fanta4]

Originally Posted by jeast

the ALMS's face book page is deleting some of the negative comments about the news lol.

Nothing new. They have been known to do this in the past.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by fanta4

Nothing new. They have been known to do this in the past.

It has been pretty common practice for Big Brother to be hovering since the NASCAR takeover. Just one of the "charms".

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by jeast

the ALMS's face book page is deleting some of the negative comments about the news lol.

I don't understand why that is necessarily a bad or suspicious thing, though. Forget the "Big Brother" nonsense... it's bad for their image to have negative comments about their new series strewn all over the internet when the season is still like 8 months away from starting, and they need all the help they can right now. Tearing them down and complaining will just make them mad and they won't listen to anything. Of course, I don't think they listened to anything in the first place except for the name of the series... and something tells me they did that for this exact reason. They knew beforehand a lot of fans would be ****ed at running NASCAR tracks like Kansas and Indy, and they thought that having a fan name the series would be good enough to last over the rough patches in the development stage. But that's my cynical side... despite that, I don't think they need any more negativity.

Give the poor sods a chance, folks.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Beetle

I don't understand why that is necessarily a bad or suspicious thing, though. Forget the "Big Brother" nonsense... it's bad for their image to have negative comments about their new series strewn all over the internet when the season is still like 8 months away from starting, and they need all the help they can right now. Tearing them down and complaining will just make them mad and they won't listen to anything. Of course, I don't think they listened to anything in the first place except for the name of the series... and something tells me they did that for this exact reason. They knew beforehand a lot of fans would be ****ed at running NASCAR tracks like Kansas and Indy, and they thought that having a fan name the series would be good enough to last over the rough patches in the development stage. But that's my cynical side... despite that, I don't think they need any more negativity.

Give the poor sods a chance, folks.

If that's the case, why did they pick such an awful name? Fans aren't going to give these people a free pass. They ran ALMS into the ground and Grand-Am has been a miserable failure at attracting any sort of audience throughout its existence. So they put these two groups together and expect good things to happen?

[TF110]

Some of the posts in this thread are even worse than this spec tire news.

[Maelochs]

What amazes me is that USCR has only one chance to get it right, but apparently has an infinity of chances to get it wrong, and has used about every one.

[canamman]

Originally Posted by TF110

Some of the posts in this thread are even worse than this spec tire news.

Sports Car crowd can be a cantankerous fussy bunch. All the change, tracks losing dates, bad economy, ****ed on pop tarts, lost dogs, all contributing factors.

"Time passes, things change".

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

What amazes me is that USCR has only one chance to get it right, but apparently has an infinity of chances to get it wrong, and has used about every one.

They seem to be taking the ACO approach to things.

I actually would like to hear where you think they got it wrong?

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by fanta4

Nothing new. They have been known to do this in the past.

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

It has been pretty common practice for Big Brother to be hovering since the NASCAR takeover. Just one of the "charms".

Shhhhh... They're listening

[FstrthnU]

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...e-partnership/

So Continental is exploring whether any GTLM teams want Continental Tires too, and whether any USCR teams going to Le Mans want to use the Continentals there. Perhaps a few teams might accept that offer, because Corvette Racing and Viper really struggled on the WEC Michelins due to lack of testing/running.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I forwarded Hindy's comments to Elkins... will post his response.

Scot Elkins ‏@scotelkins 3h
Spec is exactly the same-bop only diff & it's small! @Fogelhund To what degree will GTLM be changed from ACO spec?”

So it you take Elkins at his word, than it would appear as though Hindy was incorrect with his assumptions and conjecture.

As far as Big Brother is concerned... let me know when some of you get contacted by the mother ship to change the wording in your posts.... fact.

[skycafe]

Originally Posted by canamman

Sports Car crowd can be a cantankerous fussy bunch. All the change, tracks losing dates, bad economy, ****ed on pop tarts, lost dogs, all contributing factors.

"Time passes, things change".

Oh, I don't think it is only the Sports Car crowd. The Nascar crowd wasn't happy with the CoT, and that has been changed. some of the traditional tracks have gone away in favor of the cookie cutter ovals. I didn't watch the Brickyard 400 (not a cookie cutter oval), and apparently a lot of other people didn't watch it, or attend it either--- To think, it was not that long ago people were saying it was going to be bigger, and stay bigger then the Indy 500. The rest of Nascar seems to be suffering too.

The Indy car events over the past almost two decades have taken the premier form of racing in the US to a product very reduced in fan interest, and potentially never returning to the status it had in the decades before.

Your name mentions the Can Am, what a great period that drew fans, star drivers, big teams, and then imploded. It was reborn as a trim, efficient repackaging of cars built to another formula, developed into its own identity, but never drew the interest of the original and faded away.

Time passes, things change. We will see what the future is, and then the future after that.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Ughhhh it feels like its one step on the right direction and the they release new tid bits like conti tires and they got two steps back.ughh!

As far as big brother, I've been wondering if NASCAR will hand out fines for bad mouthing the series, like Cosmo at lime rock I thought that would be a NASCAR fine if he was in NASCAR.that would be ridiculous but with NASCAR anything is possible.

I thought grand am on the Indy roval was the most boring racing at Indy, until I saw NASCAR run the brick yard.boring. NASCAR had a rough last season and fans have complained also, I think it's funny though.they made the cars so well that good drivers could actually drive them away leading to even more boring racing fans complaining and then changing the cars again so they were not as good and drivers had to wheel them more.lame.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...e-partnership/

So Continental is exploring whether any GTLM teams want Continental Tires too, and whether any USCR teams going to Le Mans want to use the Continentals there. Perhaps a few teams might accept that offer, because Corvette Racing and Viper really struggled on the WEC Michelins due to lack of testing/running.

This here basically means Continental actually wants to have a proper go at the series.

[FstrthnU]

Michelin is pleased that the GT-Le Mans class in the United Sports Car Racing Series will provide open tire competition when the series launches in 2014.

At the same time, we’re disappointed that we won’t be permitted to compete for overall race wins or continue our technical partnerships with our Prototype teams as we race in the USCR in 2014.

Michelin’s tire innovations are born on the track. The data and insights gained in competition feed directly into our development of Ultra High Performance tires for consumers. Two great examples of this are the MICHELIN® Pilot® Super Sport and new Pilot® Sport A/S 3 TM tires.

We look forward to racing and continuing to work with the USCR and its other stakeholders to explore more mutually beneficial agreements for the years to come.

Chris Baker, Director, Motorsports, Michelin North America

http://www.michelinalley.com/?p=15005

So I guess Michelin and Continental will be bickering in the backrooms about supplying tires for Prototypes from 2016 onward.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Scot Elkins ‏@scotelkins 3h
Spec is exactly the same-bop only diff & it's small! @Fogelhund To what degree will GTLM be changed from ACO spec?”

So it you take Elkins at his word, than it would appear as though Hindy was incorrect with his assumptions and conjecture.

As far as Big Brother is concerned... let me know when some of you get contacted by the mother ship to change the wording in your posts.... fact.

Conjecture? He was actually right. The bop will be different. Which in turn brings the cars further from the WEC.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by TF110

Conjecture? He was actually right. The bop will be different. Which in turn brings the cars further from the WEC.

Yes, conjecture! No he was not. There will be a BoP, as there has been for years. He did not say that it would be any different than the 'small' amount it already is.





L.P.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.michelinalley.com/?p=15005

So I guess Michelin and Continental will be bickering in the backrooms about supplying tires for Prototypes from 2016 onward.

L.P.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by TF110

Conjecture? He was actually right. The bop will be different. Which in turn brings the cars further from the WEC.

Which is not good for Le Mans or sportscar racing in general. But I'm sure they'll sort it out in time.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Beetle

Which is not good for Le Mans or sportscar racing in general. But I'm sure they'll sort it out in time.

Haven't ACO and IMSA BoP sheets for GT2/GTE/GTLM been a tiny bit different for the last few years actually? Minor differences, like 0.something mm on the restrictor or 10-15 kg on weight here and there?

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Haven't ACO and IMSA BoP sheets for GT2/GTE/GTLM been a tiny bit different for the last few years actually? Minor differences, like 0.something mm on the restrictor or 10-15 kg on weight here and there?

Yes.






L.P.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Haven't ACO and IMSA BoP sheets for GT2/GTE/GTLM been a tiny bit different for the last few years actually? Minor differences, like 0.something mm on the restrictor or 10-15 kg on weight here and there?

I never have paid much attention to technical regulations, and I expect you know more than I do about them, but yes, I believe you are correct.

But they had plenty of time to sort the BoP out and at least make it equal on both grounds, and it seems as though they threw that opportunity in the trash. Pity.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Yes, conjecture! No he was not. There will be a BoP, as there has been for years. He did not say that it would be any different than the 'small' amount it already is.





L.P.

No, not conjecture. Yes, he was correct. The BOP will be different from the WEC. If you pay attention the ALMS used the same bop as the WEC in GTE this year. Sorry, there was no secret agenda in his tweets.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Haven't ACO and IMSA BoP sheets for GT2/GTE/GTLM been a tiny bit different for the last few years actually? Minor differences, like 0.something mm on the restrictor or 10-15 kg on weight here and there?

ALMS also allowed Porsche to run the high wing last year from Long Beach, whereas the ACO dragged their feet until after LM.

[chernaudi]

Nope, IMSA BOP has always been slightly different than WEC BOP, or that of any other ACO category. One look trough the current ALMS and WEC/LM24 technical regs and bulletins will show that.

However, there's no major differences. Some cars have a larger or smaller air restrictor diameter than ACO/FIA regs, some have more or less ballast, but the rules are fundimentally the same and it take no major changes to adjust the cars. Also at Sebring this year, the Aston V8 Vantages ran a different refueling rig restictor than ACO/FIA specs. Only cars running to full ACO specs to the letter were the Audi R18 e-tron quattros, the Rebellion LMP1 Lolas, the MMGPR HPD LMP1, the Level 5 and ESM LMP2 HPDs, and that's about it.

All the GTE/GT/GTLM cars had different BOP between IMSA spec and ACO spec, but nothing that couldn't be easily adjusted. Of course, that's one of several reasons why the WEC didn't do Sebring this year as a shared event with the ALMS. Differing BOP (even if only minor differences), WEC and IMSA race control differing on sporting and technical regs in race control, and the complicated "race within a race" deal from '12 were all factors in that.

But yes, IMSA and WEC BOP differ. But no, the differences aren't that significant. Only big difference is that there's no full time Aston Martin entries in ALMS, no Porsche 911 991s currently in ALMS, and no Corvettes in GTE-Pro in the WEC or Vipers BMWs in WEC. Those are the big differences. The actual BOP differences are incremental and don't significantly differ from each other.

The devil's in the details, but only in the details.