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19 Jul 2023, 14:09 (Ref:4169066) | #2601 | |
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Because there is absolutely no incentive. No prize money, constant financial battles with getting drivers to pay up. What's the point when they can go join other series and not have the hassle.
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''Downsizing'' just cuts off the minor fat around the edges and loses 2 large income sources without changing the big picture, going racing is more expensive now than it was 3-5 years ago. |
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19 Jul 2023, 14:30 (Ref:4169070) | #2603 | |
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19 Jul 2023, 14:48 (Ref:4169074) | #2604 | |||
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I'm sorry, but that is far too simplistic; firstly chief engineers and a No.1 are not cheap. But apart from that, you need more transporters which requires extra truckies, plus there will be further expenditure on accommodation plus catering, etc. I'm pretty certain that the list goes on and on when you keep adding extra cars. |
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I'm sorry, but where did I say that; all I said that it's far too simplistic to say that you only need to pay for two extra people per car. |
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19 Jul 2023, 16:06 (Ref:4169089) | #2607 | |||
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Of course it’s gonna cost more to run then a 2 car operation |
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19 Jul 2023, 16:34 (Ref:4169093) | #2608 | |
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It certainly costs less per car the more cars you run.
You don’t need more data engineers, you don’t need more team managers, you don’t need more big £ equipment really than running three cars. You don’t that much more of a spares inventory. Adding pairs works best with two per truck, although plenty of cars come on trailers anyway - be it BTCC or F1. |
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19 Jul 2023, 17:00 (Ref:4169097) | #2609 | |
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19 Jul 2023, 17:04 (Ref:4169099) | #2611 | ||
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Where is this utopia world that pays prize money and drivers pay in full on time?……
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19 Jul 2023, 17:51 (Ref:4169104) | #2612 | ||
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19 Jul 2023, 17:54 (Ref:4169105) | #2613 | |
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The incentive of BTCC is a good tv coverage, but nowadays it's not enough.
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19 Jul 2023, 19:49 (Ref:4169112) | #2614 | |
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19 Jul 2023, 20:49 (Ref:4169118) | #2615 | |
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completely wrong
btcc has one of the best prize pools in the uk a few years ago the teams asked toca that the prize pool is evenly distributed amongst all the teams so that they all receive the same amount instead of it going to just the winners so a total value of around £250k is paid out to all teams in free tyres during the season and also the price of tyres are subsidised by toca and much lower price than tcr tyres etc Last edited by touring fan01; 19 Jul 2023 at 20:54. |
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20 Jul 2023, 08:22 (Ref:4169148) | #2616 | ||
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20 Jul 2023, 10:31 (Ref:4169158) | #2617 | ||
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As for the cost of 2,4 or 6 car teams, is the quote of £20,000 per year for hybrid still relevant from what was bandied about when it was launched? If that's the case does it mean HARD would need to shell out £120,000 more this year than if they ran 6 cars in 2021? Is the struggles with money the reason why Cosworth were only fitting the Hybrid to their cars on Media Day and of the five that were there only two ran at the end of the day when it was chucking down and nobody else was out? |
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20 Jul 2023, 10:59 (Ref:4169162) | #2618 | |||
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A 6-car entry works out cheaper (per car) than a 2-car entry overall in terms of running costs. |
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20 Jul 2023, 11:40 (Ref:4169168) | #2619 | |
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It was the same in 2022. There is a lead time between when the hybrid kit is order and when it is delivered, and Cosworth expect you to pay when the order is placed. Hard make the driver pay for the hybrid kit, to be fair they are probably not alone in that respect, and I assume they won't place the order until they have that money.
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20 Jul 2023, 12:55 (Ref:4169181) | #2620 | ||
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I guess TOCA "had to" go Hybrid in order to appease what manufacturer involvement there was left from the grid entrants, although thats only really Toyota and BMW now - but even those teams I doubt are full "works" teams. In that respect, I do wonder what the point of the hybrid element is, can anyone quote a sponsor or a team where they have said they wouldn't be here if it weren't for the hybrid? I don't see a queue of manufacturers at the BTCC door scrabbling to place an entry because the sport has now "gone hybrid".
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20 Jul 2023, 13:28 (Ref:4169186) | #2621 | |||
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“The BTCC is renowned worldwide for being ahead of the game, Hybrid technology is the future on the automotive landscape and we at BTC Racing will embrace the future and fully supporting Alan Gow and the Championship”, said team director Richard Tait-Harris. |
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20 Jul 2023, 14:47 (Ref:4169190) | #2622 | ||
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crm, don't you think that comments like that are, in all truth, just PR speak?
In reality, to be truly ahead of the curve, and I don't advocate this for one second, TOCA would have gone all electric, like Sweden. The fact is that the UK will be, certainly in theory I would say at this time, banning the sale of cars with ICE technology from 2030 - that's juts six and a half years from now. Personally, I don't see that actually happening quite that soon, but to be ahead of the game, as Tait-Harris says, all electric would be the way to go. I doubt I will be around then to just hear squealing tyres at a circuit, but you never know. |
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20 Jul 2023, 14:57 (Ref:4169192) | #2623 | ||
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I think an all electric motorsport world would seriously affect my enjoyment of “motorsport”
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21 Jul 2023, 09:38 (Ref:4169274) | #2624 | |
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Exactly, there's enough E-series out there for people to watch. Don't feel the need for every series to go electric. There's plenty of good alternatives to electric anyway.
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21 Jul 2023, 09:42 (Ref:4169276) | #2625 | |
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But longer-term it (or some other as yet undiscovered option) is the only option. Fossil fuel powered cars are rapidly being eliminated in the UK. Of course it will probably take several more decades until they are totally gone, but in terms of what manufacturers want to promote and what is relevant to public, EV is the way the series will have to go.
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