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Clearwater lost most time with a dud wheel change pit stop under green. The nut/gun jammed or somethinge.
Mok did as well as he needed to, it wasn't his fault they didn't place. Vilander copped a drive through for hanging back too far under sc too. |
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I dont think an all pro line up is sustainable.
the money comes from gents. If they can't drive they won't play, and can't blame them. |
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14 Feb 2015, 10:35 (Ref:3504810) | #2655 | |
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I'd love to be silver, that would mean I'd be fast.
dave is a silver, steve o and richo are golds. muscat is silver, and I guess so would the ex stig? not sure which nismo lads in the GTR would be bronze? easy enough to check the current FIA rankings. |
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with so many safety cars, the slowest driver wasn't as important from a speed point of view. as long as you were on the lead lap, you'd always catch the leader. we got 1 lap back during the day, just needed the Nissan to pit under safery car with 4? hours to go and we would of been back on the lead lap and in with a sniff. dave demonstrated the lambo had the pace. we had great pace all weekend, not just for quali. and for a change the car ran perfectly and no roos, that was left for the poor bmw. |
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I checked the 3 Datsun drivers.
all silver rankings. not very fair. |
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matt bell silver
steven kane gold guy smith platinum won't bother looking at other teams, but plenty with the same story. very bad for a 'pro-am' event. |
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They deemed Silver as an Am driver for the event. That was the same for everyone
Ben Collins is a Silver driver as ranked by the FIA. We can argue whether an Am should be Silver or Bronze however fairness or unfairness doesn't come into it here for 2015 Everyone had the opportunity to run a Silver as their Am On another note - the race shouldn't go all pro nor just class A & B. For sustainably of the event, we are going to through peaks & troughs with sportscar & GT racing which will the support of gentlemen racers & class racing Last edited by D.R.T.; 14 Feb 2015 at 11:47. |
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I guess 12hr folk should of called the class something other than 'pro am' cause it's wasn't. |
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Dave Russell is silver, but classed as seeded due to V8s. How dumb is that rule when hundreds of guys from overseas have never driven V8s in Australia? Doesn't make sense. |
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I remember on the coverage seeing that pitstop with the guys kicking the gun in frustration as they tried to get the wheel off but nothing was happening. How about we have a PP class. Pretend Pro. You know for those teams that have three pro drivers yet still claim one of them is a gentlemen driver even though there is no way in hell that is the case. Bentley would've stood on a podium this year even with the stupidity of Stefan Mucke on the last corner. |
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I just hope the B12 / V8 Test Day shenanigans are over and done with. |
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The blame: well mostly on the drivers. I swear most racing drives don't know how to drive endurance events. Despite what the commentators say about 24 or 12 hour sprint races existing now. You still have to take care of the equipment to be there at the end. Some of the moves I saw drivers make in the middle of the freaking race at Bathurst was nuts. Particularly the blocking moves going on. Even the commentators said so as well. |
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I fully understand what you are saying Scudd. To a degree the organiser is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The second AF Corse car was a perfect example, lost the pay driver lost the car. Do you think having to have a bronze level driver would turn big international teams away? Wouldn't that also open the can of worms with the GT academy boys like it did in British GT? |
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I would urge you to volunteer yourself or family members to become flaggies or marshalling personnel. Then you may see why safety cars are part of racing. |
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I think they seeded him more from discretionary opinion rather than hard evidence. And yes, Ben Collins being unseeded is a joke. It needs to be made better, no doubt. |
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Even in practice, we saw enough evidence to convince us we were happy with our lot. The race proved it for us, although I think Trass had wheel nut drama. It all comes down to finger trouble and cold hard luck in the end. But luck is manufactured. |
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Tick one of these boxes and you're automatically seeded. http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/com...ification-form |
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When and which was he main driver? Edit, ah co driver last 5 years too... Totally skipped that bit. Well that's ****, what a joke. Furthermore, has it really been 5 years since Cam Mcconville drove v8? He was unseeded. Last edited by ff s conscience; 14 Feb 2015 at 21:52. |
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I'm not overly familiar with Dave's V8 racing career, however i do remember him getting a start due to a Greg Murphy injury. |
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Murphy was available too, and was seeded. But very happy with our line up. Benny was sensational, his best lap was only 0.0023 behind montermini... 11 cm! And Renato actually turned out to be our fastest driver on average, due of course to safety car running, but he did a mega job regardless. And our overall pace on the harder tyres was right up there. The softer 7 compound the others used was not availble to us in 19" sizes, which hurt ultimate lap time. Last edited by ff s conscience; 14 Feb 2015 at 23:35. |
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here's the results of the bronze test from Spa last year. no complaints from me, but there's some quick bronze guys out there. pole was a 19.0, our best was dave with a 21.2 1 43 Comandini/Amos/Cerutti/Colombo ROAL Motorsport 13 2:22.068 177,5 20:10:12 PAM BMW Z4 ROAL Motorsport 2 107 Howard/Adam/Mücke/Lloyd Beechdean AMR 11 2:22.107 0.039 0.039 177,4 20:08:34 PAM Aston Martin Vantage GT3 Beechdean AMR 3 100 Maleev/Perez Alcart/Mavlanov/Zampieri SMP Racing Russian Bears 19 2:22.945 0.877 0.838 176,4 20:18:39 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia SMP Racing Russian Bears 4 53 Hommerson/Machiels/Bertolini/Cioci AF Corse 8 2:23.317 1.249 0.372 175,9 19:50:49 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia AF Corse 5 32 Wilson/Leonard/Meadows/Lamy Leonard Motorsport AMR 5 2:23.512 1.444 0.195 175,7 19:43:54 PAM Aston Martin Vantage GT3 Aston Martin Racing 6 11 Broniszewski/Bonacini/Frezza/Piccini Kessel Racing 8 2:24.080 2.012 0.568 175,0 19:50:37 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Kessel Racing 7 90 Montermini/Castellacci/Gai/Rizzoli Scuderia Villorba Corse 5 2:24.502 2.434 0.422 174,5 19:53:51 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Scuderia Vilorba Corse SRL 8 54 Cameron/Griffin/Mortimer AF Corse 16 2:25.114 3.046 0.612 173,8 20:22:18 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Spirit Of Race 9 52 Wyatt/Rugolo/Lowndes/Piccini AF Corse 16 2:25.235 3.167 0.121 173,6 20:16:24 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Spirit Of Race 10 116 Barthez/Debard/Badey/Vautier SOFREV ASP 7 2:25.292 3.224 0.057 173,5 19:47:49 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Team SOFREV ASP 11 18 Muscat/Lunkin/Al Faisal/Bracke Black Falcon 17 2:25.396 3.328 0.104 173,4 20:17:40 PAM Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 Black Falcon 12 49 Mallegol/Bachelier/Blank/Perrodo AF Corse 16 2:25.634 3.566 0.238 173,1 20:18:32 GTR Ferrari 458 Italia AF Corse 13 17 Andersen/Jensen/Yeomans Insightracing with Flex-Box 7 2:25.781 3.713 0.147 173,0 19:49:57 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Insightracing dk 14 458 Ehret/Mattschull/Grouwels/Müller GT Corse by Rinaldi 4 2:25.788 3.720 0.007 173,0 19:47:31 GTR Ferrari 458 Italia GT Corse by Rinaldi 15 38 Abra/Osborne/Poole/Turner MP Motorsport AMR 12 2:26.199 4.131 0.411 172,5 19:59:41 PAM Aston Martin Vantage GT3 Aston Martin Racing 16 15 Ojjeh/Grotz/Vervisch/Pantano Boutsen Ginion 10 2:26.263 4.195 0.064 172,4 19:58:07 PAM McLaren MP4-12C Boutsen Ginion Racing 17 150 Weiss/Kainz/Krumbach/Menzel Wochenspiegel Team Manthey 3 2:26.302 4.234 0.039 172,3 19:40:54 PAM Porsche 997 GT3 R Wochenspiegel Team Manthey 18 14 Frey/Gardel/Barth/Hirschi Emil Frey Racing 16 2:26.329 4.261 0.027 172,3 20:20:47 PAM Emil Frey G3 Jaguar Emil Frey Racing 19 23 Lago/Russell/Richards/Owen Lago Racing 10 2:26.784 4.716 0.455 171,8 19:56:14 PAM Lamborghini LP600 Lago Racing 20 4 Blanchemain/Kelders/Rademecker/Bouvy Belgian Audi Club Team WRT 16 2:26.891 4.823 0.107 171,7 20:19:19 PAM Audi R8 LMS Ultra Belgian Audi Club Team WRT 21 22 Loggie/Westwood/Rosenblad/Matschiski Team Parker Racing 13 2:26.915 4.847 0.024 171,6 20:21:40 GTR Audi R8 LMS Ultra Team Parker Racing LTD 22 51 Mann/Talkanista/Guedes/Mezard AF Corse 8 2:27.524 5.456 0.609 170,9 19:52:42 GTR Ferrari 458 Italia AF Corse 23 50 Danyliw/Knap/Sonvico/Pier Guidi AF Corse 4 2:27.661 5.593 0.137 170,8 19:50:44 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia AF Corse 24 333 Solikhov/Kogay/Seefried/Siedler GT Corse by Rinaldi 11 2:27.816 5.748 0.155 170,6 20:20:28 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia GT Corse by Rinaldi 25 111 Earle/Kremer/Mahy/Talbot Kessel Racing 10 2:28.204 6.136 0.388 170,1 19:57:53 GTR Ferrari 458 Italia Kessel Racing 26 25 Rostan/Haezebrouck/Buffin/Gosselin Sainteloc Racing 12 2:28.836 6.768 0.632 169,4 20:06:24 GTR Audi R8 LMS Ultra Sainteloc Junior Team 27 120 Bourret/Gibon/Belloc/Canal SOFREV ASP 5 2:30.263 8.195 1.427 167,8 19:43:22 PAM Ferrari 458 Italia Team SOFREV ASP 28 79 Smith/McCaig/Bryant/Sims Ecurie Ecosse 5 2:38.506 16.438 8.243 159,1 19:51:42 PAM BMW Z4 Alasdair McCaig 16 Sarkissian/Demirdjian/van der Drift/Schmetz Boutsen Ginion 0
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