Acura/HPD's future plans

[deggis]

Oh... I was just confused by the "team" word.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Honda needs a place to work on their engines in Europe because they sold their shop in the UK in 2009 and closed their R&D location in Germany too.

There is talk their going to buy Cosworth's F1 shop.

Not sure they need one with the shipping options today.
However the Peugeot/Pure engine department I believe is for sale.

[gustavobamba]

If Honda are serious in F1 and in the NSX gte project, forget the LMP1!!!!!!

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

If Honda are serious in the NSX gte project, forget the F1 and LMP1!!!!!!

Fixed that for you!
(Though I would like to see a Honda factory LMP1.)

[TF110]

Honda have enough resources to do the 3. F1 is almost 2 years away. The NSX is at least a half year (for the road car). So there should be space enough to do these programs. The F1 project is in conjunction with McLaren. Then customer engines. Its not a money losing project. The NSX will be made in the US, so its on them for the GTE program. As for an lmp who has a clue!

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TF110

Honda have enough resources to do the 3. F1 is almost 2 years away. The NSX is at least a half year (for the road car). So there should be space enough to do these programs. The F1 project is in conjunction with McLaren. Then customer engines. Its not a money losing project. The NSX will be made in the US, so its on them for the GTE program. As for an lmp who has a clue!

You do not forget Honda NSX DTM/Super GT made in japan, but maybe this car will race de european DTM and the future DTM USA

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by TF110

Honda have enough resources to do the 3. F1 is almost 2 years away. The NSX is at least a half year (for the road car). So there should be space enough to do these programs. The F1 project is in conjunction with McLaren. Then customer engines. Its not a money losing project. The NSX will be made in the US, so its on them for the GTE program. As for an lmp who has a clue!

All three would be great, if the bean counters can be convinced.
As for the GTE, another U.S. GT team would be awesome!!!

[TF110]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

You do not forget Honda NSX DTM/Super GT made in japan, but maybe this car will race de european DTM and the future DTM USA

Right, but that car is to be based on a new spec chassis so the cost should not be significant.

[Koenigsegg]

Acura will be doing the NSX GTE project if there is any project, at least that was my understanding.

Wirth is developing an LMP1 for 2014 (as fas as we know). The current HPD's are developed by Wirth, so HPD can continue that partnership perhaps.

Honda will be providing the F1 engines.

So that's actually 3 different brands (Acura, HPD and Honda) doing 3 different stuff. Yes, we all know they're Honda in the end. But still, it's possible.

[Christian Mogami]

HPD is in charge of the NSX for endurance racing(America and Global).

Honda Japan is in charge of the NSX SGT/DTM racecar instead of Dome/Mugen that did all the past Honda SGT racecars.

[deggis]

http://audio.rpix.org.uk/mwm/8/mwm8-20.mp3

41:20-42:20: Hindy claims the F1 engine has been tested in the P2, already before the official comeback announcement, so probably a really primitive test mule, if this is true in the first place.

[TF110]

Interesting if true. Why lmp2 though? Perhaps a lighter chassis than lmp1.

[gwyllion]

Perhaps because the LMP2 car is already equipped with a V6 turbo engine.

[Pandamasque]

Yeah, it may be just more suitable in terms of dimensions. Besides, it could just be that an old-ish HPD P2 chassis was lying around so they used whatever was available and not in any demand.

[helgi]

A very interesting news about F1 engine tested in LMP.
Besides, won't that NSX GT500 be only nationally homologated due to a mid-engine chassis?

[Christian Mogami]

Some clouds will be lifted off the rumors starting next weekend!

The Rebellion and HPD rumor could be smoke,it could be just that Rebellion wanted to use the 2014 Wirth Coupe but still use the the toyota engine.

I think you have to buy the whole package!

And been hearing the engine in the coupe will be a stress member,so the chassis would be design around one engine only.

[Christian Mogami]

They used the LMP2 car because they used Level 5 team for the test.

It was a good way to hide the engine right under the nose of other teams at the track.

There was some twitter hints.....

Then nothing heard about since.

[aneesh99]

Originally Posted by TF110

Right, but that car is to be based on a new spec chassis so the cost should not be significant.

Yep. Sam Collins talked about this on MWM, the same episode that Deggis linked. Apparently the same 'mother chassis' (gotta love some Japanglish ) that is being used in the new GT86 GT300 machine is going to be used by Honda for their new GT500 ride.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by aneesh99

Yep. Sam Collins talked about this on MWM, the same episode that Deggis linked. Apparently the same 'mother chassis' (gotta love some Japanglish ) that is being used in the new GT86 GT300 machine is going to be used by Honda for their new GT500 ride.

I think the GT 500 and GT 300 chassis are not the same.
This is the GT 500 chassis http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...-touring-cars/
and this is the GT 300 http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...0-toyota-gt86/

[Christian Mogami]

Future GT500 and GT300 are different tubs!

not even close

[aneesh99]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Future GT500 and GT300 are different tubs!

not even close

I'm not plucking this out of thin air mate, I'll put some info below. Read on!

Originally Posted by hondafan37

I think the GT 500 and GT 300 chassis are not the same.
This is the GT 500 chassis http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...-touring-cars/
and this is the GT 300 http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...0-toyota-gt86/

I'm just reiterating what Sam said. He also happened to write both the articles you sourced

This is from Sam when Hindy joked that he was surprised they didn't just turn the chassis around to make the GT86 MR (now cross posted to the SGT thread)

(53:30) :
'Well this is actually something they're having to go through with the GT500 Honda because Honda is building a mid-engined GT500 car but still using the same monocoque and I think they're trying to do the same with the GT300 monocoque. So could you turn it around? Not quite that simple because the structures wouldn't be in the right direction but it has been designed to be very... Later on you will see actually that there isn't a huge amount to be done'.

Take from it what you will, I just think it's very interesting. I need to subscribe to RCE again

[Christian Mogami]

Hey mate,

The 2014 Honda NSX GT500 will use the shared DTM/SGT CF chassis.

Now the Honda CR-Z GT300 might use that 'mother chassis' that they are designing for the GT86 but most likely not because Honda took the 2014 SGT program(in-house now) away from Dome.

[aneesh99]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Hey mate,

The 2014 Honda NSX GT500 will use the shared DTM/SGT CF chassis.

Now the Honda CR-Z GT300 might use that 'mother chassis' that they are designing for the GT86 but most likely not because Honda took the 2014 SGT program(in-house now) away from Dome.

Yeah, I know, I'm not oblivious to those facts, and nor is Sam, considering almost all tech news we get, if not from Samurai-san is from him. The monocoque is carbon, Honda needs someone to manufacture a tub/chassis for them and we don't even know any specifics regarding the proposed spec GT500 chassis.

Like I said again, I'm simply reiterating what Sam has said, and truth be told, he has more know how and contacts that we can ever dream of. Let's see if he can dive back into this thread to clear a few things up.

[Christian Mogami]

Toray Carbon Magic

the biggest player in CF

[TF110]

Aneesh, I thinku the comment is out of context. Its "same monocoque" as DTM. Which was just front engined. Not same monocoque as GT300. He is saying they may do the same thing in GT300 by using a standard monocoque but run mid engine like the NSX.