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5 Sep 2023, 09:33 (Ref:4175254) | #2701 | ||
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I dont believe the BMW is capable of winning the title, not with Sutton and the Ford with the performance it has. Of the few circuits where the beemer seem to have an advantage, that "advantage" has been eroded away due to a number of factors.
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Hill himself has said this season that he thinks the Hyundai is the fastest car, and the BMW is the second quickest (that is at all tracks). Looking at results when you compare team-mates, Sutton and Ingram appear to be doing a better job than Hill or Turkington right now - as evidenced by the Manufacturers' standings. |
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As has been said, both Sutton and Ingram (and Turkington in the past) have been totally focused on their cars and not on anything else. If they can get to the front, they will do so, obviously, but otherwise they try to maximise their points.
I've said this before, but Hill is far too aggressive and he doesn't pick his fights on track wisely plus he has a tendency to overdrive the BMW which has led to quite a few incidents where he has lost places. He needs to stop making those mistakes. I also think that he should try to be more of a team-mate to the other BMW drivers; I feel that they resent his aggressiveness and unlike the NAPA drivers, they seem unwilling to help him achieve the best possible results. |
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5 Sep 2023, 10:36 (Ref:4175259) | #2704 | |
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Yeah, Ingram and Sutton seem to be very friendly with their teammates but I get the impression it might be a bit more fractious in the BMW camp!
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I appreciate that Sam Osborne is the boss' son, but offering to stand down for the weekend so that Cammish could race his car at Donington, even though Cammish is not in reality fighting for the championship, is not something I would expect to happen at WSR. The fact that Turkington had to lend the team one of his own BMWs last year speaks volumes; they all appear to race as individuals, not as a team. And to add, I feel, although I have absolutely no evidence of this apart from what I see with my own eyes, that both Ingram and Sutton and pretty well universally liked up and down the pit lane. Again talking volumes, the fact that Sutton took the time and effort to coach Moffat when they were team-mates in the Infinitis which resulted in Moffat actually winning two races. Can you imagine Hill doing that with Jelly? Or Morgan? Last edited by Mike Harte; 5 Sep 2023 at 10:52. |
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5 Sep 2023, 10:55 (Ref:4175263) | #2706 | |
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As you say he’s in a slightly different position, but I think there would be incredibly few drivers on any grid who would make an offer like that, so huge respect to Osborne there.
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5 Sep 2023, 12:20 (Ref:4175272) | #2708 | ||
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You are quite right, Viv; the other race was at Oulton Park. Sometimes he does forget, or more likely just reverts to his past driving style. And he does learn because in the past he could be very like Hill is at present, i.e win at all cost.
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5 Sep 2023, 12:21 (Ref:4175273) | #2709 | ||
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Stop crashing into each other and a more daring tyre strategies might be a good start
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5 Sep 2023, 14:00 (Ref:4175280) | #2710 | |
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Is it assumed Huff will be back in the ex-Hamilton CUPRA for Silverstone/Brands GP?
Have to say after Lloyd's performance at Donington GP, it would be very intriguing to see what Rob could deliver with more track time. |
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5 Sep 2023, 14:39 (Ref:4175282) | #2711 | |
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They seemed to suggest he would on comms at Donington, but we’re assuming Huff is wanting a cheque first?
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As you say, Addison and Harvey did say they expected him to be back in the car for the last two rounds. I think that we have to take into consideration that he is already on a retainer with his other commitments and he may be doing this for fun. |
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6 Sep 2023, 20:01 (Ref:4175437) | #2713 | |
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The Team Hardship curse! Dan Lloyd is now looking for more money / further sponsorship.
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6 Sep 2023, 20:44 (Ref:4175443) | #2714 | |
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wasn't their motto "Go HARD or Go Home " ?
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6 Sep 2023, 22:51 (Ref:4175447) | #2716 | |
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I get the feeling that they are promised a good budget, but then circumstances get in the way and things have to change
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There are a number of factors, which could mean that thinking drivers 'fell for' a deal is an incorrect assumption. e.g. HARD. might have a low initial cost, with payments made through the year. Other teams might require more up front. In this case, drivers might only have enough funds ready to go at the start of the season to afford a HARD. seat, and hope to raise more during the season. Or it could be that certain costs are attributable to the driver as part of the deal, and the on-track activity has resulted in these costs being higher than anticipated. Or it might be down to the insurance option the driver has taken (with associated excess). Drivers might be taking a financial risk with the cover they have taken, and that risk has now materialised. |
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7 Sep 2023, 07:25 (Ref:4175473) | #2718 | |
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With a few exceptions I can see why most HARD drivers take that route. They aren't going to be championship contenders or even challenging for wins. They could move to another team and spend more money, but what's the point when it won't significantly change their results. They are going to be near the back of the grid regardless.
Dan Lloyd would be one if the exceptions to that. I don't know that he would be a championship contender but in the right team he is clearly capable of better things. |
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So hypothetical:
Assume you are a touring car driver and you want a spot on the grid in the BTCC. It is now early March, and you have two offers on the table. Team A offers you a drive for 15k per weekend (150k for the season), payable in monthly instalments of 25k each month from May onwards. Team B offers you a drive of 12k per weekend (120k for the season), payable in full before the end of March. Then assume you have managed to get 100k of backing secured since the last season finished. Which deal do you take, or do you walk away from the series? |
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8 Sep 2023, 12:10 (Ref:4175666) | #2724 | ||
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But I think that the point being made is that maybe Team Hard operate a different business model to other teams requiring less of an up-front payment which could be why 'problems' seem to occur towards the end of the year...
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