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Thanks for posting the videos. After watching them it seems that both cars are actually pretty close in speed
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I love this forum because I'm not so documented as you and often I find interesting things ..so please can you explain the difference between IMSA pit rules and silverstone-le mans regulation referred here?
http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=231 what about the fact bentley run LMP2 spec tyres instead lmp1? http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=229 thanks! |
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I don't suppose anyone at the race collected chassis numbers did they? I know a lot never change, but I'd love to know about the Audis, factory Pug, BMW, and more!
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Interesting. According to Audi's post race press release claims that the differential also caused problems for the #8 Audi:
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Besides all the disussed Audi - Peugeot stuff, we shouldn't forget to note the impressive performance again from Strakka and also from JMW and Prospeed Competition...
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What was the reason for the JMW drive through? I couldn't quite hear it on the PA system.
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I thought it was something like that. I heard bits and pieces of info, but couldn't hear it in full.
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13 Sep 2010, 11:25 (Ref:2758655) | #263 | |
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Bernhard also poited out about wind but on quali they obtained an advantage
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Miniassain was given a warning for doing the same, and that was after the #7 Audi retired and the #4 Pug and the #8 Audi started to loose track position.
It also surprised me that reading the Audi releases that briefly the #8 Audi gained time late in the race and took about 10 seconds out of the lead Peugeot inspite of their issues. Either they figured something out or the Pugs really backed off late to save fuel because of the near 1 minute lead they had at the time. Could explain why the #8 had to pit while the Pugs didn't need to. Unless the differential packed up on the #8 to the point of enducing handling problems but not to failure, I don't see how the #7's failure effected the #8. It seemed just on pace that the #8 was set up conservatively until qualifying, and after Timo spun during his stint, Audi changed tires on the 8, which is what cost them time in the first place. Either Audi needs to understand the areo package on their cars more or they underadjusted for the conditions on Sunday. Also, looking at some photos of the rear wheels of the #1 Pug on Planet Le Mans, I can't read the "Michelin" on the left rear tire--brake dust or contact? Last edited by chernaudi; 13 Sep 2010 at 11:37. |
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Diesel soot. I'm rewatching Le Mans itself now and, during every Peugeot driver change/tire stop, the rear tires are noticeably blackened by soot/smoke, since the car has side-exit exhausts. When the tire is taken off you can barely see the Michelin logo on it.
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Some points you mention here in combination to what I read before. The Pugs backed off, as it was already known that the Audi had to refuel one more time. It was simple calculation, they saw that when the Audi went in for its 6th stop it could not finish the remaining laps without refuelling, so no need for charging (they learned their lesson at Le Mans). What I find more interesting is the comment that Audi let the #8 go slower to save the dif, (I was in the Audi box when McNish went out, and a mechanic told me he had just lost "Antrieb", ) and that even in spite of this holding back, the car needed an additional fuel stop. Apparently their new aero package increased the speed, but more prominently also the drag, which resulted in excess fuel consumption. In view of the actual race result, one should read the press release issued by Audi after qualifying...... With regards to the Davidson pass on McNish, both drivers knew what they were doing, McNish trying to intimidate a little, and Davidson trusting him enough that he would still let some space for the pass, but it looked impressive. (Any parallel with the Shumi-Barri event is not in place as these two drivers clearly did NOT trust each other). All in all very exciting race, but it lost much of its value when Mc Nish had to retire, and I am sure that even Peugeot in a way regretted that, as they had the opportunity to beat him fair and square, which would have certainly been a much nicer win. Decent Ferrari win in GT2, but the annoying part is the stupid racetrack rule, which become much more prominent now that the track has been revamped for Moto GP races, which prefer to have hard shoulders along side the track. |
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And the F1 paved runoff areas...Even Watkins Glen as them for NASCAR.
I doubt that the fuel mileage issue is down to the drag of the R15--as I said, they had a 1 minute lead over the #8 Audi at one point, so the Pugs had room to gamble on fuel mileage. If the Pugs were really hammering it, they'd have been short by 1-2 laps as well. The lost track position on the part of the #8 gave them the cushion to save fuel, and the 8's understeer problem probably didn't help matters. |
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Why would it need more fuel--the R8 or R10 were never effected by areo changes from LM to a sprint package. The #8 had understeer issues all day, and that probably burned up fuel. Also, during one stint, the #8 actually took 10 seconds out of the Pugs, and I doubt it was traffic. Pugs probably knew at the pace that they ran early that if they kept it up they would be 1-3 laps short like the #8 Audi was, so they backed off because they knew that unless something major happened, they weren't gonna blow a one minute lead, of which about 20 seconds of which was gained by Audi changing tires on the 8 after a spin, which that itself cost nearly 10 seconds.
IE, Peugeot wasn't quite as fast as one would think, as the #8 making one extra tire stop and a spin spotted Peugeot an easy 30 seconds. |
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@chernaudi: Check the timing pdf on the LMS website. The 2nd, 3rd and 6th stint of the #1 Peugeot were 1 lap longer than those of the #8 Audi. So your suggestion that Peugeot switched to fuel saving tactics late in the race, is incorrect. They had better fuel economy from the start of the race.
Peugeot clearly has better aero (less drag from same amount of downforce as Audi) and/or a better engine (when the engine is turned down to the same power level as Audi, it needs less fuel). Peugeot beat Audi with better pace and better strategy (double stinting tyres from the start and saving the extra fuel stop at the end). |
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The Oreca Peugeot changed tires after stint one. (probably to avoid having the two cars coming in together throughout the remainder of the race)
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Lapierre -> Sarrazin -> Lapierre -> Sarrazin compared to Davidson -> Minassian -> Davidson and Bernhard -> Capello -> Bernhard. This gave the drivers equal driving time, but it ruined their chance of victory. Last edited by gwyllion; 13 Sep 2010 at 14:05. |
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