2010 Formula BMW Pacific

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Originally Posted by petergriffin

if you can take a look at the max speed of eurasia and euro cars may explain why calvin dropped off.

Is it posted on a site somewhere? Would make interesting reading. Thanks.

[total3d]

there were no max speed recorded at this event, but they had a speed-trap set at the start finish line. So this figure really depends of how you exit the final turn. if calvin was sloppy out of the final turn(compared to euro or eurasia) then it would seem that he is slower out of the turn, not engine wise

[bothfeetin]

Originally Posted by cornerspeed

(Bothfeetin). As a part team owner you should know better than spread malicious rumours.
Truth is Axcils manager withdrew him simply because the car was not competitive enough.

Well, who is talking here? Trying to blow my cover? What a man you are - when all things stop you have to get personal? Editor PLEASE help! Joking!

Cornerspeed - you can do better and within the rules of this forum. Or am I too close to the truth? Malicious? Look up the dictionary my friends! Even the Editor is more careful by saying "possibly". So in all fairness to Motaworld and my "malicious" attempt towards Axcill - which I certainly don't intended if at all, the truth remains that Axcill has not enough funding! Want to go further on this subject? Why is/has not Eurasia taken his "2009 Star driver" (please read before writing the 2009 posts re Axcill and how he was elevated and glorified throughout the season by no other then???) into the 2010 season? And who is his "manager"? Never heard of him.

Dear Editor - appreciate that you read my reading with diligence - however I seem to miss your point - what was so ""possibly malicious" in that particular postings (referring to your inset on page 16 that is)? No harm done!

[petergriffin]

heard that eurasia had 6 drivers vying for their 4 seats this year so perhaps there just weren't any more seat at eurasia for axcill.

motaworld cars seem quite competitive as well. maybe this years competition much stronger than last year. the truth hurts sometimes.

[speedkills]

Young 16 year old Aussie and 2009 FBMW race winner and podium getter, JAMES KOVACIC has just won in his USA Sportscar DEBUT at Laguna SECA Raceway - Racing in the COOPERS TIRES PROTOTYPE LITES 1 Championship as organised by IMSA, USA and part of the ALMS

You can check more details on www.jameskovacic.com or www.imsaracing.net or www.imsaprototypes.com

This shows that FBmW is a good proving ground for aspiring youngsters.

Cooper Tires Prototype Lites Championship - Lites Race Round 3
FLAG: CHECKERED Laps Complete: 18/ 18


P No. CLS DRIVER NAME LAP LAPTIME FL BESTIME DIFF GAP LED ST STATUS LSPEED BSPEED ELAPSED
1 37 L1 James Kovacic 18 1:24.993 11 1:22.759 > 18 < > 18 < 13 12 In Pit 94.794 97.353 31:10.188
2 12 L1 Matt Downs 18 1:24.360 14 1:23.170 2.001 2.001 0 6 In Pit 95.505 96.871 31:12.189
3 64 L1 Patrick O'Neill 18 1:25.062 13 1:23.389 7.301 5.300 0 14 In Pit 94.717 96.617 31:17.489
4 79 L1 Lucas Downs 18 1:24.491 13 1:23.841 9.745 2.444 0 16 In Pit 95.357 96.096 31:19.933
5 11 L1 Johnny Meriggi 18 1:24.049 17 1:23.620 10.265 0.520 0 5 Active 95.858 96.350 31:20.453
6 21 L1 Charlie Shears 18 1:23.992 15 1:23.352 11.016 0.751 0 9 Active 95.923 96.660 31:21.204
7 2 L1 David Ducote 18 1:25.055 15 1:24.111 15.227 4.211 0 2 Active 94.725 95.788 31:25.415
8 4 L1 Antonio Downs 18 1:24.379 17 1:23.734 15.299 0.072 0 3 Active 95.483 96.219 31:25.487
9 66 L1 Frankie Montecalvo 18 1:26.938 12 1:25.039 26.380 11.081 0 15 Active 92.673 94.742 31:36.568
10 34 L1 Jon Brownson 18 1:25.191 12 1:23.445 26.632 0.252 0 11 Active 94.573 96.552 31:36.820
11 00 L1 Owen Kratz 18 1:26.198 14 1:25.810 32.319 5.687 0 1 Active 93.469 93.891 31:42.507
12 17 L1 Paul Barnhart III 18 1:26.211 15 1:24.371 32.559 0.240 0 8 Active 93.454 95.493 31:42.747
13 54 L1 Jonathan Bennett 18 1:26.214 16 1:25.143 39.686 7.127 0 13 Active 93.451 94.627 31:49.874
14 75 L2 John Weisberg 18 1:27.840 16 1:26.685 44.627 4.941 0 22 Active 91.721 92.943 31:54.815
15 33 L1 Richard Fant 18 1:27.663 16 1:25.224 44.703 0.076 0 10 Active 91.907 94.537 31:54.891
16 96 L1 Danny Mancini 18 1:28.090 13 1:26.539 47.251 2.548 0 17 Active 91.461 93.100 31:57.439
17 23 L2 Lee Alexander 18 1:27.408 14 1:27.096 48.081 0.830 0 19 Active 92.175 92.505 31:58.269
18 13 L1 Gary Gibson 12 1:26.887 11 1:24.727 > 12 < 5LAPS 0 7 In Pit 92.727 95.091 30:32.960
19 30 L2 Michal Chlumecky 7 1:41.182 7 1:41.182 > 7 < 4LAPS 0 20 In Pit 79.627 79.627 19:05.278
20 8 L1 Anthony Nicolosi 5 2:23.387 3 1:23.520 > 5 < 1LAP 5 4 Active 56.189 96.466 8:28.938
21 42 L2 Jim Garrett 1 1:39.669 1 1:39.669 > 1 < 3LAPS 0 21 In Pit 80.836 80.836 1:48.310
22 99 L1 Christian Zugel --- --.--- --- No Time > 0 < 0 18 Grid 0.000 0.000 --.---

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[bothfeetin]

Originally Posted by cornerspeed

(Bothfeetin). As a part team owner you should know better than spread malicious rumours.
Steel and Ollie Milroy suffered the same issue last year, but were made to believe it was there driving......what a shame.
Have inquired with BMW and no injuction imposed. Seems to be the usual story of teams trying to defend their short comings.

and then....one more point to rectify your posting - Ollie Milroy in 2008 - not last year - stood on the podium in Singapore - in 2009 he was not running the Pacific series at all!

I have no intention to defend a team's short comings, not that of Motaworld's or any other ones - nothing to do with it except these are motorsport people and so am I. Anything wrong with it?

I think the "manager" made a mistake to "pull" Axcill out of the team, Axcill lost a chance of driving in a very competitive weekend. James did well in a, as you say, uncompetitive car!
I still don't know how you can inquire at BMW about an injunction - why don't you ask Axcill, Eurasia or Motaworld about the full story? Having no money is one thing which is only too normal these days!

Go easy and you might get with speed out of your corner.

[Fucithalmic]

Lap times of the top 16 cars were certainly very close. This is encouraging. Mofaz did a very job in bringing their car up to speed with Calvin driving a very matured race. Patrick Roberts with Mofaz team and his inputs paid dividends. Good lad. Sorry for Natasha as the exclusion was certainly a tough one to call for the marshalls, albeit the accident looks scarry. Several times, car nearly flip. I wonder if the wishbones on the FBMW cars are too stiff? Did not see Axcil on the grid. Paddock rumours has it that he choose to sit-out of the weekend due to financial reasons. I believe even with financial reasons, teams should cut him some slack & give him a fair deal (charge at cost) and alow him to race as he's talented. Richard, this boy's got speed. EuroInt. consistently performing well. Team sources said will attend Singapore GP leg and skip the rest of FBMW Pacific rounds. ART, did better than Round 1 & 2. Mango Racing, renamed IM Racing. Again just one car entry. Bad luck not to finish both Sunday's races with racing incident. Surely there is more from their driver. Exciting 2nd half of the championship!! Next, Korea, hopefully track ready in time, otherwise Japan possible alternative. MAL stand to loose some money.

[petergriffin]

unfortunately at this level of motor racing teams can't afford to finance drivers no matter how talented they may be. it would be wonderful if that could happen as we all know that there are many many talented drivers out there that can't participate because of funding.

hope eurointernational and other euro teams keep coming as it helps our pacific drivers lift their standards.

[bothfeetin]

Originally Posted by petergriffin

unfortunately at this level of motor racing teams can't afford to finance drivers no matter how talented they may be.

hope eurointernational and other euro teams keep coming as it helps our pacific drivers lift their standards.

Jez...I was always wondering this myself too....seeing that most teams now let their mechanics sleep in the not so favoured hotels to save some lodging funds; lunch mostly either Mc or Lie around the corner and old rental beaters as they are 10 bucks cheaper; now then one need to sponsor one of the "talented" but underfunded/no funded drivers? What about the crash costs? And the demand for fresh engines as their talent is not really yet sooo good to overcome a diminished 3 hp.

Cynical? Realist! And what is it one would get from all this? A good looking webpage if results are good.

[petergriffin]

spot on bothfeetin. but don't think it is only motorsport that u need funds - just ask how much it cost a new tennis player to try to make it on pro circuit - u may be surprised at how much it costs

[Juntos]

Is someone suggesting here to hold races on week days? Give it a burl!

[bothfeetin]

Juntos.....trying to figure out what you are asking....can't follow - stuck throttle so to speak. Explain?????Pleaase!

Petergriffin....thanks! Yes they all know how much "sport" costs but as in sailors terms....the wind is free and therefore also should be the rest! I really cannot even comprehend and understand why someone should even ask for a free ride...what does it good? Even one free season will not help the kid to climb the steep ladder to higher series. saw too, no, much too many parents selling, borrowing pawning anything and everything to give their kids the great opportunity becoming a racer.....resulting in divorce, hardships, losing homes and the kids now working as a clerk, cook, trucker, mechanic...shall I go on?

Heard an old manager talking to a visitor with a kid - 15 or so;
So, your kid wants to be a F1 pilot? great - you come to the right spot - but before we even talk how talented your son is - tell me do you have 2 Mill bucks on hand? If not - sorry, go and buy a nice FF, go out to the local track with your son, enjoy the friendships, fun at night under the stars with big barn fires and so on....don't pawn your grandma for the sake of your son's not proven talents.

Sorry to bore you guys with this...perhaps, only perhaps...we motorsport heads should be more conscious about what we suggest!

[F1 Prospects]

Originally Posted by bothfeetin

Heard an old manager talking to a visitor with a kid - 15 or so;
So, your kid wants to be a F1 pilot? great - you come to the right spot - but before we even talk how talented your son is - tell me do you have 2 Mill bucks on hand? If not - sorry, go and buy a nice FF, go out to the local track with your son, enjoy the friendships, fun at night under the stars with big barn fires and so on....don't pawn your grandma for the sake of your son's not proven talents.

Sorry to bore you guys with this...perhaps, only perhaps...we motorsport heads should be more conscious about what we suggest!

I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. I have dealt with junior drivers for over 20 years. Some have succeeded and most have not and the reason they have not were multiple but the two main ones were that they didn't manage their expectations and they didn't put in the work required.

Racing is expensive, always has been and always will be but the expenses are graduated so you need to learn how to manage them as you move up and be realistic with your goals. While things are definitely easier when the economy is humming, young drivers need to understand that it is not just speed on the track that counts. They have to work at attracting potential sponsors from the get go and not rely on mom and dad or grandma because that source will be extinguished pretty damn quick. And to develop long term relationships with sponsors is quite simply a lot of work but it can be done and is done all the time.

The bottom line is that talent alone will not get you to F1 but understanding the reasons why motorsport can be usefull to companies for their marketing purposes goes a long way to helping a young driver build relationships that will help them up the motorsport ladder. Mom and dad better understand this but more importantly, junior hot shot kart racer needs to understand this if they want to make a career of it.

My recommendation to junior drivers has always been to not focus on all those drivers that have precarious funding but to look at those drivers that have consistent, long term sponsorship in place and learn from them. It is possible but it isn't easy. But then neither is a career in tennis, figure skating, golf or any of the equestrian sports.

[petergriffin]

hey guys enough of the doom and gloom and its so hard to go racing blah blah blah - what a great FBMW pacific series we are seeing this year. great number of cars, exciting racing in the packs, time gaps now down to tenths at the front, more entertainment then gt3 & 4 so just need more asian companies to get involved and maybe asia will be fbmw centre. we have as many interesting tracks as europe - suzuka, shanghai, phillip island so we can have as good or even better series then them.

[bothfeetin]

Originally Posted by petergriffin

hey guys enough of the doom and gloom and its so hard to go racing blah blah blah - what a great FBMW pacific series we are seeing this year. great number of cars, exciting racing in the packs, time gaps now down to tenths at the front, more entertainment then gt3 & 4 so just need more asian companies to get involved and maybe asia will be fbmw centre. we have as many interesting tracks as europe - suzuka, shanghai, phillip island so we can have as good or even better series then them.

Agreed....
Tenth of a second in front? Sure! Numbers do lie! Be fair with the assessment re great series. I agree that from 12 to 23 cars is a good, terrific jump but also seeing the amount of gust drivers spells concerns...once there is no more Europe BMW will there be the same numbers of guest drivers?
Think that the issue here is circumvented and we all should just not talk about it, in honesty! I prefer the style of that manager - right or wrong - he was honest! A discussion with slapping each other on he shoulders and congratulating on how great it is, is not right! We all have to tackle the issue before it becomes again an issue of car and driver count.

I am an optimist ! Saying that we have great tracks, as interesting as Europe requires some thoughts - and what...Philippines? Where? Need to go there and look. All I can find is Batangas on Google...explain please. Unless of course we include now drag and dirt strips....would be fun to see FBMW on these ones. But that also had been done ...Sentul!

Sponsorships: Have to find the story on Atlantic Branson - they seem to think that they have found a sponsor for their drivers and the team. Would be nice to hear the full end of it as right now thy just don't look like having a big one on their hook - yeah I know....bad mouthing again...but I would think with a big sponsor they would also have the cars not only with a small sticker plastered.

Agreed - kids need to find money...sponsors is the way for most! Chicken and egg scenario!

F1 prospects - Yes right... again! But consider the times and places we do race here..not USA or Europe! What "new" 2. level driver has a solid sponsor? Times where Noack, Weber jumped to bring the Schumachers, Klien, Vettel from 0 to now is passe' as money is tight - see the Euro going down every minute and with that the accounts of even multi nationals. Shareholders are not happy - I for one lost for my pension plan so far 25% and it's going down! So should I be happy if the company now sponsors a kid to a tune of $200,000 only to wait and see if he/she is that good? Sorry man, NO!

Realism has nothing to do with optimism and cannot put into the equation.

Last - nobody considers even the difficult part to compete with sponsor funding as motorsport is seen in many places now as a sport hurting the "green" feelings of certain companies. Even fuel manufacturers down playing the effects many see what Combustion engines have. Would you, as a CEO etc, not rather sponsor tennis or sailing ala Mercedes or BMW and get Oracle etc also on the wagon?

[F1 Prospects]

Originally Posted by bothfeetin

Last - nobody considers even the difficult part to compete with sponsor funding as motorsport is seen in many places now as a sport hurting the "green" feelings of certain companies. Even fuel manufacturers down playing the effects many see what Combustion engines have. Would you, as a CEO etc, not rather sponsor tennis or sailing ala Mercedes or BMW and get Oracle etc also on the wagon?

It really depends on what the company wants out of the relationship. High Tech companies in my opinion are only now starting to be properly utilized as sponsors with a good example being AT&T (http://youratt.com/attwilliams/docs/Forrester.pdf).

Again it is a lot of work but there are plenty of companies that want to be connected with the speed and glamour of motorsport, you just have to demonstrate how the sport can benefit their business.

I am not downplaying the current economic malaise, far from it but relationships can be forged from the karting level on up, it is just much harder right now.

As for the green issue, that is something that motorsport in general is only now starting to address with the ALMS in America probably doing the best job right now. Give Richard Branson a kick at the can and he could probably do wonders on this in F1 and that would eventually trickle down to the lower levels. The irony is that the many environmental damage is not coming from the cars on the track but from the spectators driving to the site!

[Lam Pak]

aint nuttin freekin changy. no races in china, no big sponsor for wanabees fbmw drivers

[bothfeetin]

Originally Posted by F1 Prospects

It really depends on what the company wants out of the relationship. High Tech companies in my opinion are only now starting to be properly utilized as sponsors with a good example being AT&T (http://youratt.com/attwilliams/docs/Forrester.pdf).
.....................The irony is that the many environmental damage is not coming from the cars on the track but from the spectators driving to the site!

Yes, all agreed to......AT&T? As I can remember AT&T sponsored in Canada/USA in the 1980's a driver in FF and Atlantics - also the same driver in the old Indy Lights. No news there...all went sour when they decided about the exposure level they received. Just searched........it was Walter Koller, a countryman of yours! Talented but even then.. underfunded!

Re green and whatever other grass...no pun here...you are right...spectators use more of the precious fuel and pollution factors than the race cars. To fly around the world all equipment, personnel etc does not help either. Do we really need the worldwide show?

And then....why don't formula car teams or organizers try the same as the motorcycle guys now doing - TTXGP - seems a good way!

Could you imagine FBMW's with this kind of torque at hand? considering $40,000 for a complete bike...what would it cost to convert a FBMW? Less then U$20,000.- !!! All can be recovered by selling the Hewland box and engine etc. My thoughts!

[bothfeetin]

F1 Prospects...
Mark, the article you refer to in your posting - excellent - and thank you for the link. Good reading and I believe this holds true for any biz.

[petergriffin]

SBS speedweek program in Aust has coverage of race 1 - have a look - good entertainment - http://www.sbs.com.au/speedweek/watc...ace-1-Malaysia - let's enjoy the year and the racing

[Monkey Head]

Motaworld would like to bring Ringbom to FBMW Pacific later this year:

http://www.motaworld.co.uk/news.php

'Team Principal Alan Waite commented, "I believe that Leopold is looking like he is going to be a future star. I intend to take him to Formula BMW Pacific later in the year for some testing and racing which will all be valuable experience for him in his career development."

[petergriffin]

the more the merrier - its great to see that at long last fbmw pacific is getting some recognition as a worthwhile series to race in for yougsters - the more europeans that come the better for our asian drivers as competing against these guys will surely pull our standards up as well.

[Lam Pak]

leopold rinbom of finland race for champ motorsport last year in afr championshp. he dag one car into wall. sumthin' not very impresive. he need more coaching.

[brucelok2003]

it seems the size of F-BMW pacific is getting bigger and bigger this year, That's great!

I wonder which drivers from Europe series (like Frjins, Regalia and Harvey) join the inaugural Korea races in August, and of course the Macau GP. Maybe we can see 30+ cars in Macau's grid.

[Monkey Head]

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

leopold rinbom of finland race for champ motorsport last year in afr championshp. he dag one car into wall. sumthin' not very impresive. he need more coaching.

don't you highly rated him as 'next kimi'?