2014 Liqui Moly Bathurst 12 Hour: 7-9 February (Merged)

[racer69]

Do Engstler have an on-going GT3 program throughout the year, or was their B12hr entry due to the fact they have been with Liqui Moly support in the WTCC for years and it was a good fit?

[R4z3rw33n]

Originally Posted by racer69

Do Engstler have an on-going GT3 program throughout the year, or was their B12hr entry due to the fact they have been with Liqui Moly support in the WTCC for years and it was a good fit?

They've run GT Masters for the last few years.

As an aside:


Edit: Scud makes an appearance at 00:56.

[Reload]

Tony Quinn in today's AA saying that the Aust GT boys have to be a part of the 12 hour and that he found James O'Brien awkward ?Reading between the lines IMO, that says that they probably don't have a lot of time for each other, so credit to them both for getting a deal done as unusual as it was.
With plenty of time to get next years event right, hopefully the local round will be run on Saturday.

[D.R.T.]

Yeah kudos to the both of them as you say for getting it done in 2013 despite the strange format.

Hope they consider a 1 hour twilight race on Saturday evening for the GT championship and allow cars that wish to double enter for the 12 hour.

Awesome video of the 12 hour as well. Really does the event justice.

[Sheep Stations]

Originally Posted by Reload

Tony Quinn in today's AA saying that the Aust GT boys have to be a part of the 12 hour and that he found James O'Brien awkward ?Reading between the lines IMO, that says that they probably don't have a lot of time for each other, so credit to them both for getting a deal done as unusual as it was.
With plenty of time to get next years event right, hopefully the local round will be run on Saturday.

Awkward?...Tony-speak for won't do what TQ demands and generally gets from others.

O'Brien put in a very difficult situation unnecessarily at B12hr with the non-approved/signed-off, whatever, body work on the GT3R and handled it all very well...in a super heated environment full of 'awkward' threats.

Don't get me wrong, not a TQ hater, quite the contrary...but pot-kettle.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Yeah kudos to the both of them as you say for getting it done in 2013 despite the strange format.

Hope they consider a 1 hour twilight race on Saturday evening for the GT championship and allow cars that wish to double enter for the 12 hour.

Awesome video of the 12 hour as well. Really does the event justice.

This year showed how little the GT round matters in the 12 Hour scheme.There were literally a handful of cars that elected to do the 1 hour option and 2 of them (Aston and Ginetta) were major factors in the accidents that caused most of that first hour to be run under safety car.I don't think any of the GT Champ entrants in the 12 Hour varied their 12 Hour tactics to maximise their points after 1 hour.Trying to entice these people to run a 1 Hour race on Saturday is a case of tail wagging dog.

[Sheep Stations]

Agree the one hour fundamentally brought nothing...but Ginetta and Aston not the antagonists in either incident. Ginetta whacked into MSNZ 997 that was flicked into fence by Salo just past Griffens, Aston clipped by Dave Russell in Lambo out of Forest Elbow causing quite a mess.

Etiquette and patience missing from the pro's in both cases.

[Racenut]

I hope that the 12 hour is a stand alone, not part of the GT championship and they encourage GT championship teams to compete. Just like the 1000 shouldnt be part of the championship, you dont need drivers concentrating on points, get them to go for the win.

While I am making a wish list... a night start please!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Racenut

I hope that the 12 hour is a stand alone, not part of the GT championship and they encourage GT championship teams to compete. Just like the 1000 shouldnt be part of the championship, you dont need drivers concentrating on points, get them to go for the win.

While I am making a wish list... a night start please!

so your theory is flawed. Driver in the 1000 dont concentrate on points. every driver goes there looking for a win.

The only time it was different was at the start of this when it was the last round

[Reload]

Originally Posted by peckstar

so your theory is flawed. Driver in the 1000 dont concentrate on points. every driver goes there looking for a win.

The only time it was different was at the start of this when it was the last round

I don't understand your last paragraph ?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Reload

I don't understand your last paragraph ?

back in the 90's it was the last point scoring round and the point issue may have affected the result in 99. But it definitely doesnt now.

Just like it wont affect the results in the 12 hour

[Reload]

Originally Posted by peckstar

back in the 90's it was the last point scoring round and the point issue may have affected the result in 99. But it definitely doesnt now.

Just like it wont affect the results in the 12 hour

The GT series only have about 5 or 6 rounds this year which makes every round whether it be the first or last important, so I beg to differ.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by peckstar

so your theory is flawed. Driver in the 1000 dont concentrate on points. every driver goes there looking for a win.

last years winner seems to agree with your statement, asked whether he enjoyed the points lead from outcome of the race, Wincup said ''who cares about the championship''. Lol!

[D.R.T.]

I think many team mangers would disagree. Neither event should be part of the championship

[Reload]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I think many team mangers would disagree. Neither event should be part of the championship

Yep, win it or bin it !!!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I think many team mangers would disagree. Neither event should be part of the championship

I think you are 100% wrong. Not one team manager would sit there at the start of the 1000km and say drive for the points. Not one

Same would be if with the 12 hour.

[EfiOz]

I beg to differ. If you're driving for points then surely the best result is to win the race!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by EfiOz

I beg to differ. If you're driving for points then surely the best result is to win the race!

Driving for points tends to mean something else though. It suggest a desire to not take risks to gather a decent points haul. it doesnt happen in the 1000km race and it wont happen in the 12 hour because of it being the first round in the championship.

But your point is very valid for the 12 hour race becase the best way to get points is to win. No one will be settling for a points haul except for those that cant win

[B24]

It would be great to see AGT have a one hour with Production Sports cars from all over the country. Huge field, great cars both series having a one hour race towards their championship.

In addition to the wish list, a LMP3 race would suit the event far better than the HQ racing.
One of the cars.
http://www.racecarsforsale.com/proto...lmp3-09cn.html
Footage from Spa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTKx7RnUYq4
Here is the more website on the series based in Europe.
http://www.speedeuroseries.com/

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

I think you are 100% wrong. Not one team manager would sit there at the start of the 1000km and say drive for the points. Not one

Same would be if with the 12 hour.

And what about at 75% race distance - is this still 100% wrong

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

And what about at 75% race distance - is this still 100% wrong

sorry, can you explain that too me?

75% race distance is something they have to determine a finisher. I believe they have a similar think in the 12 hour race, always have. they had a similar think in the 1000km race before it was part of the championship?

[D.R.T.]

Was more suggesting at 3/4 race distance you would have plenty of team mangers telling drivers to be conservative where needed to ensure points in the championship.

A non championship event ensures this isnt a factor.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Was more suggesting at 3/4 race distance you would have plenty of team mangers telling drivers to be conservative where needed to ensure points in the championship.

A non championship event ensures this isnt a factor.

are you serious. firstly your logic is backwards and secondly it has never happened (since they changed it so that is no longer the last round)

its backwards because it means you still score points even with a minor stuff up.

Name me one example where the drivber has pulled the pin because of points?

and i will say that Lowndes on 2011 of why you are wrong

[Woolley]

To be honest, I think that particular discussion has gone far enough. Back to the topic, please - this is the 12hr thread, not the V8s.

[B24]

Thank god the moderator stepped in. Exactly my point a few pages back.