'05 Silly Season - Page 12

codename_47 · 9 Dec 2004, 19:01 (Ref:1175534)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

So there is still hope of my dream, seeing Champ Car at Interlagos, being realized

Let's just hope the weather holds up!

But yeah, that flat out blast over the start finish is addictive viewing, be great to get to see it twice in one season! (and with Champcar and push to pass and all that, could be quite a show!)

Please happen!

Ac. · 9 Dec 2004, 19:06 (Ref:1175536)

And if it does happen, codename_47, you will be able to see it live on Eurosport! If only we were so lucky on this side of the pond....

luke · 9 Dec 2004, 19:09 (Ref:1175538)

Well I heard a rumor that Argentina is of and Laguna still in with a chance.

codename_47 · 9 Dec 2004, 19:09 (Ref:1175539)

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Originally Posted by Ac.

And if it does happen, codename_47, you will be able to see it live on Eurosport! If only we were so lucky on this side of the pond....

Hmmm, I won't hold my breath on that, despite what they say.....

Kicking-back · 9 Dec 2004, 21:11 (Ref:1175613)

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Originally Posted by luke

Well I heard a rumor that Argentina is of and Laguna still in with a chance.

There will definitely not be a race at Laguna Seca, sadly.

Argentina's not "off" because it was never on in the first place - although that doesn't mean it won't be added to the calendar.

Dov · 10 Dec 2004, 15:52 (Ref:1176269)

Courtesy of zerO.

UPDATE:

Latest from the Grapevine is that next week Walker Racing is going to test three drivers: Christijan Albers, Nico Pastorelli, and Richard Lyons... although we do know that Walker intends on having a two car team next year it seems that Mario Haberfeld and Michael Valiante are not a sure shot of being the team's designated drivers... the Walker saga shall continue...

Probable 2005 line-up:

1. NEWMAN/HAAS - #1 - Sebastien Bourdais
2. NEWMAN/HAAS - #2 - Cristiano DaMatta
3. NEWMAN/HAAS - #6 - Bruno Junqueira
4. FORSYTHE - #3 - Paul Tracy
5. FORSYTHE - #7 - Rodolfo Lavin
6. FORSYTHE - #27 - Tomaš Enge or Jaroslav Janiš
7. WALKER - #5 - Mario Haberfeld
8. WALKER - #15 - Michael Valiante or Brian Sellers or Christijan Albers or Nico Pastorelli or Jonathan Macri or Richard Lyons or Ralph Firman
9. WIGGINS - #4 - Ryan Hunter-Reay or Michel Jourdain
10. WIGGINS - #55 - Mario Dominguez
11. COYNE - #19 - Oriol Servia or Michael Valiante or Brian Sellers or Jos Verstappen or Ralph Firman or Andrew Ranger
12. COYNE - #29 - Gaston Mazzacane
13. BACHELART - #14 - Nelson Philippe
14. BACHELART - #34 - Ralph Firman or Ryan Hunter-Reay or Michel Jourdain or Jos Verstappen or Townsend Bell or Ryan Dalziel or Andrew Ranger
15. KALKHOVEN - #12 - Jimmy Vasser
16. KALKHOVEN - #21 - Björn Wirdheim
17. GENTILOZZI - #8 - Alex Tagliani
18. GENTILOZZI - #17 - Guy Smith or Michael Valiante or Ryan Hunter-Reay or Giorgio Pantano or Andrew Ranger
19. RUSSO - #9 - Justin Wilson
20. RUSSO - #10 - AJ Allmendinger

Possible entries in 2005:

21. FORSYTHE - #28 - Jaroslav Janiš or David Martinez Leon or Memo Rojas or Homero Richards or Rafael Martinez or Roberto Gonzalez or Andrew Ranger or Alex Figge
22. COYNE - #11 - Roberto Gonzalez or Marcus Marshall or Tonis Kasemets or Michael Keohane or Jaime Melo or Homero Richards
23. BACHELART - #24 - Bas Leinders or Rodolfo Gonzalez or Rafael Martinez or Ricardo Sperafico or Christijan Albers or Nico Pastorelli
24. FITTIPALDI - #20 - Alex Sperafico or Ricardo Sperafico or Jaime Melo or Ricardo Zonta or JP.DeOliveira or Christian Fittipaldi or Hoover Orsi
25. KALKHOVEN - #22 - Christian Murchison or Josh Hunt or James Courtney or Marcus Marshall or Ryan Dalziel or Andrew Ranger
26. JENSEN - #23 - David Sterckx or Adam Pecorari or Antoine Bessette or Andrew Ranger or Ryan Dalziel or Jonathan Macri or David Rutledge
27. LEBERLE - #33 - Giorgio Pantano or Ralph Firman or Jos Verstappen

btw, for an updated picturesque version of the probable 2005 line-up and other possibilities -> go to www.champcarfan.com and click on the "Line-Up" thingy ?!

indycool · 10 Dec 2004, 16:08 (Ref:1176295)

AR1 reported yesterday that Walker was taking in a rich guy named John Stange Jr., as a partner to become Walker-Stange Racing. Today, it reports that isn't going to happen and quotes a Walker spokesman as saying they were still seeking sponsorship.

Kicking-back · 10 Dec 2004, 20:31 (Ref:1176519)

Scrub Ricardo Zonta from that list of possibles - he was confirmed as Toyota's 3rd driver in F1 months ago.

Dov · 10 Dec 2004, 21:09 (Ref:1176549)

Nico Pastorelli discusses his upcoming test for Walker Racing: LINK

racefanatic · 10 Dec 2004, 21:20 (Ref:1176559)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyfan

So there is still hope of my dream, seeing Champ Car at Interlagos, being realized

I've thought of that too and it would be so awesome to see Champ Car there! Honestly though I'd just be happy to see them pick up a Brazilian race again. OWRS is really doing a good job (IMO) of scheduling races around the biggest fan bases, so it seems like it would be a smart move.

BootsOntheSide · 10 Dec 2004, 21:23 (Ref:1176564)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Scrub Ricardo Zonta from that list of possibles - he was confirmed as Toyota's 3rd driver in F1 months ago.

But that would mean looking at the facts, and zer0 doesn't do those.

Dov · 10 Dec 2004, 22:08 (Ref:1176594)

Boots, why don't you go over to champcarfan.com and tell him that instead of complaining about it here?!

macdaddy · 10 Dec 2004, 22:10 (Ref:1176595)

The simple fact that zerO's posts are being reproduced here, makes them open to discussion here, no?

Kicking-back · 10 Dec 2004, 23:21 (Ref:1176650)

There's a school of thought that says if zerO is banned, his posts on other forums should not be being reproduced here.

But Boots is right - zerO's silly season tables are largely pure fantasy.

And, Dov - why would anyone want to go to an inferior forum? Ten-tenths is all that is required.

macdaddy · 10 Dec 2004, 23:51 (Ref:1176669)

I've been to school, KB.

evo · 10 Dec 2004, 23:56 (Ref:1176674)

I've read in several places that Gentelozzi is trying to get Memo Gidley sponsorship for his second car.

BootsOntheSide · 10 Dec 2004, 23:57 (Ref:1176675)

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Originally Posted by Dov

Boots, why don't you go over to champcarfan.com and tell him that instead of complaining about it here?!

By your definition, I'm not a ChampCar fan though, am I? I don't view everything in black and white "it's his fault" type language, and I acknowledge the good in both championships. On a website like ChampCarFan or Crapwagons I'd get shouted down constantly, for pointing out flaws in the most optimistic world-views put forward. And I agree with KB - zer0 was removed from the site for good reasons, and his words seem unneccesary for the forum here.

Great news there evo, thanks. I'd love to see Memo get a full season. If this is the case, then either a) Smith was bending the truth when he said he wasn't brining money, or b) Paul was disappointed with Guy's efforts.

extramundane · 10 Dec 2004, 23:58 (Ref:1176678)

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Originally Posted by evo

I've read in several places that Gentelozzi is trying to get Memo Gidley sponsorship for his second car.

Seeing as Gidley's doing a full season in Grand-Am, I'd say those places are wrong.

extramundane · 11 Dec 2004, 00:00 (Ref:1176680)

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Originally Posted by Dov

Boots, why don't you go over to champcarfan.com and tell him that instead of complaining about it here?!

Wouldn't make any difference...Many of us have complained on other fora to no avail. I find it best just to ignore him.

macdaddy · 11 Dec 2004, 00:08 (Ref:1176684)

[mod]The "lineup" posts are the only things being reproduced.

The staff reviewed this thread when it first began almost 300 posts ago, I for one was questioning the situation, but things were allowed to progress.

I thought I made that somewhat clear when I suggested that I'd been to school.

These posts obviously bring about conversation and debate, this can be alluded to by the post count and 14K+ views.

Any other questions will be welcomed in the Feedback Forum.

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codename_47 · 11 Dec 2004, 03:33 (Ref:1176768)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

By your definition, I'm not a ChampCar fan though, am I? I don't view everything in black and white "it's his fault" type language, and I acknowledge the good in both championships. On a website like ChampCarFan or Crapwagons I'd get shouted down constantly, for pointing out flaws in the most optimistic world-views put forward. And I agree with KB - zer0 was removed from the site for good reasons, and his words seem unneccesary for the forum here.

What, Zero, surely the only person to be banned from BOTH here AND CW/Fanatics, whatever!??

Now THAT's extreme!, normally I'd expect one or the other, but both....what a dual personality!

Ok, so we all know by now that Zero will post that there'll be 40-odd cars next year, the detractors on the thread say there'll be 0 cars....the reality is of course somewhere in between!

20 cars then?? Seems about right for racing series these days!

marcus · 11 Dec 2004, 05:01 (Ref:1176783)

Right well Ive had enough.

I dont have a problem with Dov posting what Zero has on his website , it gives us something to discuss after all.

But dont go slamming the guy on this website folks.

he was banned for a reason that will not be entered into and basically YOU should not be having a go at him while he cant come back and defend himself.

as previously stated if you have a beef take it to his forum under his rules.

ten tenths will not accept someone not being able to defend themselves here.

so lets just get on with discussing champcars and possible line ups for 2005 and all will be merry.

anymore and i will send warnings and you too could pretty soon find yourself being banned.

Carry on

steve nielsen · 11 Dec 2004, 06:30 (Ref:1176807)

it's Nicky Pastorelli and not Nico............

paul-collins · 12 Dec 2004, 00:42 (Ref:1177337)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

But that would mean looking at the facts, and zer0 doesn't do those.

Now this is going to take me into unfamiliar territory...

Zer0 used to annoy me with his lists because he kept putting Dyson on there. Not long ago he and I swapped some messages, where I explained to him the details of my knowledge of Dyson's plans. Dyson is now not a regular on his list.

Zer0 is an optimist. He doesn't ignore facts, he just views circumstantial evidence from his Champcar-optimistic viewpoint.

mountainstar · 12 Dec 2004, 06:36 (Ref:1177416)

So it looks like we have realistically 18 to 22 cars. Thats fine by me.

And Gaston Mazzacane is a lock, so I think we're all set

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