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View Poll Results: Which track will be added to the 2016 WEC calendar? | |||
Montreal | 10 | 16.13% | |
Mexico City | 9 | 14.52% | |
Monza | 23 | 37.10% | |
Interlagos | 14 | 22.58% | |
Other, .... [please name] | 6 | 9.68% | |
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6 Oct 2015, 23:06 (Ref:3580104) | #276 | ||
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I think they should leave the DTM instead, even if temporarily. I suppose the budget doesn't compare, but they should start from there. Or stop developing the car and start relying more on private teams. And team orders. Apparently that's how you get ahead in the DTM, you get everyone to sacrifice their races, except the one designated champion |
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6 Oct 2015, 23:22 (Ref:3580105) | #277 | |
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Is the DTM team ordering as bad as it was in WTCC back in the day, with factory SEATs and Bimmers throwing their dozens of entries out the way to protect desired outcomes? I recall some amazing backing down sessions, Schumacher and Barrichello were childsplay in comparison
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7 Oct 2015, 06:14 (Ref:3580148) | #278 | ||
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Worryingly for the WEC the new VW boss has been saying that there will be a painful process of cuts and that anything not absolutely necessary will be cut..... including sponsorships and motorsport.
Lets hope the hybrid P1 programmes are considered essential R & D work, otherwise the ACO would be wise to be desperately fishing round for some new P1 manufacturers. http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...-an-explainer/ |
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7 Oct 2015, 06:59 (Ref:3580152) | #279 | |
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Could happen, but the motorsport cuts was a suggestion by the story's Author. I thought the proposed cuts were highlighted as future projects in the pipeline. Maybe things like autonomous cars, not things theyre already involved in like wec or wrc. We'll see soon!
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7 Oct 2015, 08:26 (Ref:3580179) | #280 | ||
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I'm not very familiar with the WTCC, but your descriptions sounds about right. Yeah, a lot worse than some of F1's moments. I never thought I would use the Schumacher era of dominance as a positive example of what good teamwork should look like. Rory Byrne designs the car, Ferrari make the engine, Ross Brawn plans the race and brings in Schummi at the right time, the pit crew refuel and change the tires faster than the others. Not to mention non-Schumacher examples, like when Patrese passed Mansell at Monza 1991 to harass Senna and make him wear out his tires, so that Mansell can eventually win. Much nicer than having the future champion escorted by a bunch of Mercedeses that will block anyone who tries to get near him, as if they are security. |
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7 Oct 2015, 09:30 (Ref:3580203) | #281 | |||
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7 Oct 2015, 13:05 (Ref:3580252) | #282 | ||
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That's how I read it too. Someone (dont remember who) said that in a "crisis" like this a company should just continue to do business as usual and not draw any attention to itself like in this case cancel motorsport programs. |
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7 Oct 2015, 13:38 (Ref:3580259) | #283 | ||
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Aren't the DTM teams all in a standoff about leaving anyway, because they all want to but if one does it essentially breaks the whole thing. Stalemate.
Would anyone notice if they did? VAG are one of the few manufacturers that make something out of motorsport R&D so I can't see them pulling out personally. |
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7 Oct 2015, 15:08 (Ref:3580281) | #284 | ||
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Well Porsche have just confirmed two works car for the USC in 2016
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7 Oct 2015, 19:06 (Ref:3580324) | #285 | ||
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Something else: weather talk
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MXC http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/l/MXDF0132:1:MX AUS http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/l/USTX0057:1:US |
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7 Oct 2015, 21:06 (Ref:3580359) | #286 | |||
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7 Oct 2015, 21:12 (Ref:3580360) | #287 | |
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Mexico City's air quality was long labelled as the most polluted and disgusting in the entire world, but allegedly it's been getting less worse nowadays. China likely now has the worst in it's urban and industrial centres, followed by it's neighbouring nation cities
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7 Oct 2015, 22:42 (Ref:3580376) | #288 | ||
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That massive elevation will also be enough of a factor in power loss for naturally aspirated engines. Shouldn't be a problem for any of the LMP1-H teams, but we will have turbo vs. NA in GTE. |
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7 Oct 2015, 22:46 (Ref:3580377) | #289 | |||
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7 Oct 2015, 22:50 (Ref:3580378) | #290 | |
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When WTCC raced at Puebla, another track in high altitude Mexico, the supercharged diesel SEATs made petrol Chevys and BMWs rather low life. That sorta thing?
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7 Oct 2015, 23:03 (Ref:3580384) | #291 | |
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I can't say I've ever followed WTCC close enough to say the altitude was what caused that, but probably a factor, yes.
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8 Oct 2015, 00:20 (Ref:3580401) | #292 | ||
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The altitude is the sole reason for Mexico City not to be that hot. Just take the World Cup in South Africa as an example. There was a match on Johannesburg where temp was 0ºC and feeling like -10ºC, and that city is on the north of the country, much closer to the equator than Cape Town, which is a city on the very south, where the match's temps were always much higher. Latitude-wise, Cape Town should be much colder, but the reality is exactly the opposite. The reason for it is that while Cape Town on at sea level, Johannesburg is at 1,7km above that. (Record low temp in Johannesburg is -8ºC while in Cape Town it's -4) After so many time without watching F1, I guess I'll bother to follow some minutes of some FP of the Mexican GP to check if the circuit is crap now. |
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8 Oct 2015, 00:51 (Ref:3580407) | #293 | |
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8 Oct 2015, 02:32 (Ref:3580423) | #294 | ||
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8 Oct 2015, 03:22 (Ref:3580431) | #295 | |
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With Porsche backing, location and the recent rumor mills it probably is the only non LM grade 2 track ever having any chance of making to the WEC calendar in the next 20 years or however long the series stays alive. So I guess that's something to theoretically look forward to, it is an exotic location after all. If NASCAR at some point magically gives up Sebring and/or PLM like they did with AMA, I suppose there could be slight chance for them to return as headliner events, but even then FIA would likely start demanding million dollar trendy upgrades before they'd darebto step in
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12 Oct 2015, 20:24 (Ref:3582274) | #296 | |
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Thoughts on the expanded calendar from sc365. Interesting to hear the lmp1 guys say they thought an additional race was coming for 2017 but not next year. Patron obviously is thrilled being located in Mexico.
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12 Oct 2015, 21:25 (Ref:3582287) | #297 | |
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The budget figures by the big 3 are staggering and I'm guessing the VAG brothers are good for at least 3/4 of that number. Suddenly, cutting one of those programs makes all the sense in the world, especially if you're an employee.
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12 Oct 2015, 22:32 (Ref:3582308) | #298 | |
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At least 150 million a piece.
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12 Oct 2015, 22:35 (Ref:3582309) | #299 | |
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Who was the source for Audi and Porsche spending $200m each?
Dagys does not say who's estimative that is, but, if it is close to the actual value, would contradict the previous claim. |
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12 Oct 2015, 22:44 (Ref:3582311) | #300 | |
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Racer.com said 200 million for Audi.
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