[LM24] Official 2010 Le Mans entrant list

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Le Vieux

The information on Planet Le Mans states that Bakkerud can transfer within the team, which would make him eligible to drive the second Kolles car and still not infringe the regulations.

I don't know if this is correct or just wishful thinking - but it's a possible solution.

I believe it to be wishful thinking, but I could be wrong! This is what the rule states:
"Should a competitor have 2 selected cars, the designated drivers will be able to be inverted on the car of the same competitor."

in French: "Dans le cas d’un concurrent ayant 2 voitures sélectionnées, les pilotestitulaires désignés pourront être intervertis sur les voitures du même concurrent." (translation anyone?)

Inverted means, at least to me, that they can switch both drivers from one car to the other but not together.



L.P.

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I believe it to be wishful thinking, but I could be wrong! This is what the rule states:
"Should a competitor have 2 selected cars, the designated drivers will be able to be inverted on the car of the same competitor."

in French: "Dans le cas d’un concurrent ayant 2 voitures sélectionnées, les pilotestitulaires désignés pourront être intervertis sur les voitures du même concurrent." (translation anyone?)

Inverted means, at least to me, that they can switch both drivers from one car to the other but not together.



L.P.

I'm sure you're right, I see no provision in the rules for Bakkerud to join Albers in the sister car, only a straight swap of Bakkerud to the #14 and Albers to the #15 should be permitted. But, the ACO make the rules and may decide to interpret the situation slightly differently. We'll just have to wait and see.

[PascaLM]

Inverted means, at least to me, that they can switch both drivers from one car to the other but not together.

Yes, they mean that two confirmed pilots (or initially on the first list) can't be together on the same car.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by nobster

Good for Bouchut but he cannot do it alone, the other drivers need to be good as well, this line up is certainly not better then any of Kolles' two cars last year. This line up surely must bring lots of money to Kolles!

It would appear that the bar is set relatively low, with keeping ahead of the LMP2 and GTs as the overall aim - so not even fighting with the faster petrol LMP1s - a little disappointing.

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Well unless they are granted force majeure for some reason it seems that Bakkerud and Albers are set in the Kolles cars so that particular 3 man lineup is impossible.

L.P.

This is how I read the regulation also, however, crashnet is saying that he will share the #15 R10 TDI with Scott Tucker and Maxi Rodriguez - I was wondering if there's four drivers in this car then since Christian Bakkerud is listed as the designated driver for the Kolles 15. So what's the force majeure reason for Bakkerud to not be driving?? or is a person's money an acceptable reason for force majeure? in which case I feel sorry for Bakkerud if he looses his seat. I was wondering how Kolles could manage two LMP1 cars and two F1 cars at the same time

[CarolK]

description of force majeure....
Force majeure (French for "superior force"), also known as cas fortuit (French) or casus fortuitus (Latin)[1], is a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, crime, or an event described by the legal term "act of God" (e.g., flooding, earthquake, volcanic eruption), prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract. However, force majeure is not intended to excuse negligence or other malfeasance of a party, as where non-performance is caused by the usual and natural consequences of external forces (e.g., predicted rain stops an outdoor event), or where the intervening circumstances are specifically contemplated.

I would think that "beyond the control of the parties" is a key phrase..just asking questions about the sudden change of events for the Kolles car!

thanks

[CTD]

Originally Posted by CarolK

This is how I read the regulation also, however, crashnet is saying that he will share the #15 R10 TDI with Scott Tucker and Maxi Rodriguez - I was wondering if there's four drivers in this car then since Christian Bakkerud is listed as the designated driver for the Kolles 15. So what's the force majeure reason for Bakkerud to not be driving?? or is a person's money an acceptable reason for force majeure? in which case I feel sorry for Bakkerud if he looses his seat. I was wondering how Kolles could manage two LMP1 cars and two F1 cars at the same time

Bakkerud is confirmed as a Kolles R10 driver (got no source to link to)

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by CTD

Bakkerud is confirmed as a Kolles R10 driver (got no source to link to)

Here's the souce linking Bakkerud to the #15 Kolles http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans...ngages_fr.html

so I guess my question is then, is Kolles #15 running four drivers?? Bakkerud-Bouchet-Tucker-Rodriguez then?? the article on crashnet didn't even mention Bakkerud - that's why I'm confused about this

thanks

[CTD]

Originally Posted by CarolK

Here's the souce linking Bakkerud to the #15 Kolles http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans...ngages_fr.html

so I guess my question is then, is Kolles #15 running four drivers?? Bakkerud-Bouchet-Tucker-Rodriguez then?? the article on crashnet didn't even mention Bakkerud - that's why I'm confused about this

thanks

No my source had another danish source.
We need Aslak on this matter!

But 4 drivers is not allowed!
Someone has messed up in there work, as Bakkerud is confirmed.

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by CTD

No my source had another danish source.
We need Aslak on this matter!

But 4 drivers is not allowed!
Someone has messed up in there work, as Bakkerud is confirmed.

hopefully Aslak will clear up any confusion - I didn't know about 4 drivers not allowed, thanks for that and replying to my questions ! !

thank you

[HORNDAWG]

6.1.3 -

Nomination of the official drivers’ teams : 3 drivers maximum

per car :
a/ A driver can be nominated on one car only ;

b/ Reserve drivers are not permitted.


From here at bottom of pg. #5.







L.P.

[Aysedasi]

So, has someone goofed.....?

[Victor_RO]

Or maybe they've dumped Christijan Albers from the squad without telling us. Yet.

[Aslak Vind]

It warms my heart, that you guys remembered me

Christian will be joining the Team Kolles squad for the 2010 Le Mans. Originally the plan was to drive the #15 car, but as it turned out the crew could be changed, as Bouchut brought two codrivers.

The option is to change Bakkerud to the sistercar #14, which we expect will happen. But nothing is for certain just yet.

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

It warms my heart, that you guys remembered me

Christian will be joining the Team Kolles squad for the 2010 Le Mans. Originally the plan was to drive the #15 car, but as it turned out the crew could be changed, as Bouchut brought two codrivers.

The option is to change Bakkerud to the sistercar #14, which we expect will happen. But nothing is for certain just yet.

so perhaps that means Albers is not driving or could they have both in the #15 (I surely hope so, I would not like to see either Albers or Bakkerud dropped for .......well, best drop the rest of that comment!). Did Tucker buy the car?? Horndawg and Aslak, thanks for the information.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by CarolK

so perhaps that means Albers is not driving or could they have both in the #15 (I surely hope so, I would not like to see either Albers or Bakkerud dropped for .......well, best drop the rest of that comment!). Did Tucker buy the car?? Horndawg and Aslak, thanks for the information.

Well, the rule only seems to allow a swap of designated drivers between cars, so basically it looks to me like Bakkerud can drive the other R10 only if Albers is out. At least that's my understanding of the designated driver rule...

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Well, the rule only seems to allow a swap of designated drivers between cars, so basically it looks to me like Bakkerud can drive the other R10 only if Albers is out. At least that's my understanding of the designated driver rule...

It only says drivers may be inverted. If there is not anybody in the other car then there is no one to invert with, that becomes a tranfer! That seems to infringe on Art. 6.1.3


In the Supplemental Regulations Art. 3.4.3 Driver line-up Here (bottom pg. #9)
It states the the designated driver(s) can not be changed after Feb. 1st 2010 except by force majeure (what is the ACO’s definition).

Also, if it is a 2 car entrant that the drivers may be inverted, only.

And stated in the Sporting Regs. Art. 6.1.3 here (bottom of pg.#5) 3 drivers maximum, and a driver can be nominated on only 1 car.


Does not look possible by the rules, but they are the ACO's rules.....






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[Aslak Vind]

#2 Minassian, Montagny, Sarrazin

This 908 will FLY!!

Those two guys are so underrated, Minassian is a well renowned sportscar pilot. But Montagny and Sarrazin will surprise quite a few people. Strange that Franck hasnt been signed by a F1 team...

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

This 908 will FLY!!

Those two guys are so underrated, Minassian is a well renowned sportscar pilot. But Montagny and Sarrazin will surprise quite a few people. Strange that Franck hasnt been signed by a F1 team...

Their lose, your gain

[Le Vieux]

Kolles

Are we not all saying what we already knew?

If the ACO want to "manipulate" the rules for whatever reason, they will do so, and don't expect the same manipulations to apply to everyone.

After all, it wouldn't be LM without this annual farce.

[Aysedasi]

It's a strangely limiting rule to make - for the first time, is that right? - if they're going to then break it at the first opportunity they get..... Still, as we all know, when it comes to Le Mans, rules are there for the breaking..... Like adding reserves long after the closing date from 2 years ago....

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Like adding reserves long after the closing date from 2 years ago....

You still own me a pint on that point !!!

[cmk]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

This 908 will FLY!!

Those two guys are so underrated, Minassian is a well renowned sportscar pilot. But Montagny and Sarrazin will surprise quite a few people. Strange that Franck hasnt been signed by a F1 team...

I really don't get in what universe - except F1 - Montagny and Sarrazin are underrated. I'm pretty sure everyone in the sportscar world is well-aware of how good they are. Sarrazin is going for his 4th straight LM pole! I totally agree that the lineup is amazing however!

Interesting thought with respect to the LMP2 driver rule. Highcroft is testing with Brabs, Marino and Marco Werner in Sebring. Is Marino out for Le Mans, Werner driving for fun with a Highcroft logo on his helmet visor, or do they believe 3 pros will be allowed in a P2?

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by cmk

Interesting thought with respect to the LMP2 driver rule. Highcroft is testing with Brabs, Marino and Marco Werner in Sebring. Is Marino out for Le Mans, Werner driving for fun with a Highcroft logo on his helmet visor, or do they believe 3 pros will be allowed in a P2?

Hmm, and where is there anything in the ACO/Le Mans rules that state anything about not being able to have an all pro line-up?







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[arakis]

when will the final entry list be closed, the date at witch even if a team drops out none cane take its place