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23 May 2016, 16:32 (Ref:3643901) | #276 | ||
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I love TCR, best formula since supertouring (TCR arguably better, racing in Germany was never that good, for some weird reason TCR does better on big gp tracks), but it will only survive when BOPs work and the whining and lobbying keeps low as long as the grids are tight.
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24 May 2016, 12:15 (Ref:3644059) | #277 | |
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A couple of days old now, but a very interesting read on the reliability of the JAS made Honda http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...nda-civic-tcr/
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24 May 2016, 12:56 (Ref:3644069) | #279 | ||
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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...-24-hours.html
2L Turbo's aren't allowed in TCR right? Otherwise one could see a potential TCR car in it. [Edit] They are apparently, though the car is 2 doors short to be allowed in: Eligibility criteria for TCR Touring Car: - The model of car is on the list of TCR eligible cars for 2016 published by the WSC (only front-wheel drive cars). - The cars correspond to FIA Homologation Criteria for Touring Cars (FIA Group A). - The model of car is produced by an OEM and belongs to a mass produced family. - 4/5 doors - Minimum length 4.2m - Mono turbo charged 4-stroke petrol mass production Engines with cylinder capacity from 1750cm³ to maximum 2000cm³. - Hybrid propulsion is not allowed. |
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24 May 2016, 16:11 (Ref:3644111) | #280 | ||
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Shame the rules exclude RWD. Would love to see some 3-series Beemers out there. Touring car racing just doesn't seem right without BMW.
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24 May 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3644115) | #281 | ||
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If BMW came to Lotti and ask for permission, he wouldn't hesitate. But DTM seems more important these days. A 3 series TCR would be rats.
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24 May 2016, 21:24 (Ref:3644188) | #284 | ||
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If the rumours of the next generation 1-series going FWD prove true, there won't be any RWD cars eligible for the series anyway and it won't be an issue going forward. |
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25 May 2016, 05:28 (Ref:3644238) | #285 | ||
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Well, the Subaru is just slightly smaller then the BMW 3 series. I don't see why a S2000 car can't be a TCR car.
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25 May 2016, 18:59 (Ref:3644375) | #286 | ||
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As for the Impreza, it is both narrower and has a shorter wheelbase than the BMW 1-Series. In terms of total length, the Impreza is between the 1-Series and 3-Series; it's closer to the F20 1-Series as a hatch and closer to the 3-Series as a saloon. The Impreza matches common C-segment dimensions other than total length, which is on the long side (but still shorter than D-segment saloons). It's also Subaru's smallest TCR eligible car with regards to dimensions/door count, so I think it can be excused for being a tad long. |
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25 May 2016, 20:36 (Ref:3644402) | #287 | ||
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I think that its not specified that they are only for C-segment cars
In BTCC we have BMW 1 vs VW CC. And CC is 50cm longer than 1 Series I would like BMW 3 more then BMW 1. Also with BOP big sedans like BMW 3, Jaguar XF, Merc C-Class wouldn't have advantage over hatchbacks. |
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26 May 2016, 04:58 (Ref:3644465) | #288 | |||
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_executive_car And this is from an interview with Lotti from 2014: Q: What is the idea behind the TC3? ML: "There is a strong demand for competitive cars that can be purchased and run at reasonable costs." Q: What sort of cars are we talking about? ML: "There is one car that already meets all criteria I’ve mentioned: the single-make trophy SEAT León. It has already proved to be the perfect customer racing car, launching a number of young drivers to successful careers in national, regional and even world championships. A number of manufacturers have cars that are potentially eligible for TC3; to mention only a few others, there are Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde, Ford Focus RS, Honda Civic Type-R, Mercedes CLA 45 AMG, Opel Astra OPC and the Volkswagen Golf GTi. All these models are, by their very nature, suitable to answer the need." And from the official TCR ruleset: Eligible cars Eligibility criteria for TCR Touring Car: - The model of car is on the list of TCR eligible cars for 2016 published by the WSC (only front-wheel drive cars). WSC reserves the right to accept other cars, when the general characteristics match with the TCR concept. WSC reserves also the right to approve or to refuse applications which might not be in compliance with the above criteria. So no RWD, unless they allow it. Reminds me of the NGTC... Last edited by Fechna; 26 May 2016 at 05:21. |
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26 May 2016, 13:54 (Ref:3644556) | #291 | |||
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Every wiki page (english AND german) about small executive cars or the CLA says exactly and explicitly otherwise. They all say lower scale of the D-segment or Mittelklasse. The fact that it's FWD doesn't mean anything (Audi A4) or the fact that it shares components with smaller cars like the A and B class. In fact it's even longer then the new BMW 3series. Or is that car also a compact? |
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26 May 2016, 15:12 (Ref:3644577) | #292 | ||
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Whatever floats your boat dude. TCR was presented with a clear list of targeted cars, if you honestly believe a 3-series fits that list better than a 1-series that says enough for me
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26 May 2016, 15:25 (Ref:3644585) | #293 | ||
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26 May 2016, 15:47 (Ref:3644592) | #294 | ||
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CLA is sporty A-Class it's all in name.
And i believe that BMW 3 would make more sense then BMW 1. Sedans are better than Hatchs for fast drive. |
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26 May 2016, 17:09 (Ref:3644610) | #295 | |
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Look to BTCC. Hatchbacks to big saloons.
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26 May 2016, 17:28 (Ref:3644621) | #296 | |
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Does it really matter in the end? If a manufacturer turned up with a saloon like the 3 series, I doubt Lotti would tell them to go away. It might look a little different if an independent tuner asked him though.
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26 May 2016, 17:30 (Ref:3644623) | #297 | |
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No it doesn't matter however I can image a smaller car works beter than a bigger car.
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26 May 2016, 18:33 (Ref:3644639) | #298 | ||
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26 May 2016, 20:24 (Ref:3644663) | #299 | ||
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I was talking about the C vs D segment discussion that's been going on. The regulations are based on the Seat Leon and all the others have followed witha similar-sized car so far. However there's nothing in the rules to stop anyone using a larger model nor do I think Lotti would tell a manufacturer to go away. The TT doesn't meet the criteria mentioned above though, it's a 2 door roadster. Plus I'm not entirely sure Audi would really want it in the category either besides the temporary arrangement late last season. |
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26 May 2016, 20:25 (Ref:3644664) | #300 | ||
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I know, its a fair point you raise. Just wanted to point out Lotti bends but not all the way over
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