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For those of you who don't know what the "Chimp" was, I've borrowed the post below from 10 Tenth's wonderful 1970's & 80's Super Saloons & Special Saloons thread.
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Changes made to posts 245, 247, Allen, as requested (243 looked right to me, but you may want to check!).
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Chevron B19
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I have been a very interested viewer of this thread for some time and have been awaiting an appropriate moment to join in. I think that moment is now. I have in my workshop the nearly completed restoration of B19-71-03. ( I prefer dashes and zeros!) I have been merrily working away on it for about 9 months. I bought it from Kent Abrahamsson who in turn bought it directly from Jorg Zaborowski in 1997. JZ bought it, confirmed as "Chassi Nr. 71/3" in paperwork, through a shipping agent Heinz Derflinger in January 1972 and promptly crashed it comprehensively at the Nurburgring on the 3rd April 1972, perhaps involving Trevor Twaits who also failed to finish the first lap of that race. The car was bent like a bannana as is evidenced by the period photo in the supplied paperwork. JZ was clearly very fed up and left the wreck for many years until eventually starting to repair it. Kent bought the incomplete project but being, as you will know, the owner of a very large number of cars his other interests and commitments resulted in his decision to sell. Interestingly, included in the paperwork is list of the first 26 chassis numbers together with their engine numbers and owners. R Shardlow is listed as the owner of "71/3". I look forward to the developments of this fascinating thread. Nigel James |
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After consultation with Allen, he thought the time was also ripe to show some of the cars that are currently racing. I have gone through my archives and came up with the following individual cars.
A car indicated as #1 in the Laguna Seca programme for 2005. (this car is currently for sale and I have asked the seller for info, but after one reply, he has not come back to me. B19-70-S-10 (The car ran by Allan Timpany in the CER during 2006 and 2007 and recently sold, I got a shot of the chassis plate) B19-71-1 (with a shot of the plate) B19-71-08 (the plate says OA-DBE-08) B71-9 (The Delbert car, well documented already) B71-12 (a Canon car, my guess, no shot of the plate though) B71-17 (Ran by Sandy Watson during the 2008 CER, plate reads DBE-17) B71-18 (a red car shot in 2005, at the 40 years of Chevron celebration in Monterey, no picture of the chassis plate, and a white car in Lucky Strike livery, with a chassis plate that says it was produced by Chevron Racing cars, somewhere in Scotland.) B71-21 (no shot of the plate but owners info displayed in front of the car, ex Red Rose car) I have some more shots taken during a period when I was less focused on getting things right in terms of documentation, and they might include other cars as well, but this is what I am more or less certain of today. All shots are copyright. |
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and here are the remaining pics
I also found that the Red Rose car was mentioned as chassis #7 in the 2005 Laguna Seca Programme. |
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Welcome, Nigel.
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Meanwhile, some snippets that I've received over the phone but can't give my source:
1. A mechanic recalls the Jim Wallis car in 1983/84 and can confirm that it came from Vin Malkie and that it went to Richard Eyre. However, he was surprised to read here that it had been the Chimp. 2. Paul Howarth's car that was run for Rick Wyman and later went to Tony Griffin was said to have been the Chimp. 3. When HVIFs were being issues (prior to the HTP/HC system), the MSA issued 13 to B19s. I wonder how many CSAI issued. And the FFSA. And ACCUS. And the DMSB in Germany and SBF in Sweden. I'll see if I can find out... |
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Meanwhile, some snippets that I've received over the phone but can't give my source:send me £20 and i will tell you!!
Henks foto of the yellow B19 i think is the usa lawrence?? 19-71-08 car Steve w the chevron b19 21 car that amanda and george have sprinted for donkeys years- what do u know abiut it? i saw it few yrs ago at brighton speed trials but not close up/didnt stick my head into cockpit/talk to them i recall something on the car body " Siffert" Also re B19-71-01 if you scroll back thru thread to Fangio & mshallet posting i believe here 1 said he bought from Italy the #1 car eris tondelli had and took it to usa |
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5 Jan 2009, 17:48 (Ref:2365746) | #287 | ||
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The list kindly supplied by Nigel James is fascinating. It reinforces the identifications we have for some cars, contradicts some others and identifies some cars that we didn't previously know.
In some cases it just lists Siffert or Tondelli as agent so that doesn't always help. Let's start with the easy ones: A = B19.71.12 (contradicting Sport Auto's identification of 12 as Swart's car) C = either B19.71.5 or B19.71.6 (new info) D = either B19.71.6 or B19.71.5 (new info) E = B19.71.8 (confirmation) F = B19.71.7 (confirmation) G = B19.71.10 (confirmation) H = B19.71.4 (new info) I = B19.71.10A (contradicting Sport Auto's identification of Swart's car as 12) J = B19.71.9 (confirmation) M = B19.71.16 (given as 'Siffert' with 'Larousse' in brackets) Q = B19.71.24 (new info) AB = B19.71.3 (confirmation) Seven cars go to Tondelli and five to Siffert. With Siffert having so many, it is possible that 'M' is more than one car. Siffert may have bought Richard Shardlow's 'AB' (B19.71.3) and entered it once or twice before receiving his new B19.71.16. One things that the list clearly shows is that 10A was used in place of 11 and 12A in place of 13. However, 22 does appear. |
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5 Jan 2009, 17:54 (Ref:2365754) | #288 | ||
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Just figured another one out:
P (Oldenkott Tobaco: Clemens Schickentanz) = B19.71.22 It is on Nigel's list as "Siffert (Kerston)". Peter Kerston was the entrant of Schickentanz' cars. |
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5 Jan 2009, 18:00 (Ref:2365756) | #289 | |||
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here are B19-17 and the Ed Swart car, that Fangio was so proud of having beaten in Zandvoort in 1993. Pictures are from the pit roof, during that race. 17 is now run by Sandy Watson if that is the same car. Now we have to find out what the Canon cars actually were...Somebody with contacts in the USA to ask Swart directly? Last edited by henk4; 5 Jan 2009 at 18:04. |
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So to turn it around so it makes more sense:
B19.71.3 Richard Shardlow ('AB') B19.71.4 WRA: John Bamford ('H') B19.71.5 DART (either 'C' or 'D') B19.71.6 DART (either 'C' or 'D') B19.71.7 Red Rose: John Bridges ('F') B19.71.8 Red Rose: John Hine ('E') B19.71.9 Central Garage Mirfield: John Lepp ('J') B19.71.10 John Burton ('G') B19.71.10A Ed Swart ('I') B19.71.12 Chevron Cars: Craft ('A') B19.71.16 Siffert: Larrousse ('M') B19.71.22 Oldenkott Tobaco: Clemens Schickentanz ('P') B19.71.24 Duckhams: Terbeck ('Q') Hine's rebuild does appear on the list as B19.71.25 but another Red Rose rebuild appears as B19.71.23 so it's still too early to call 'O'. Quite a few observed cars are missing. B. The late 1970 works car so I wouldn't expect it to appear K. Sunfresh Racing Team: Cyr Febraio/Jean Ortelli L. Scuderia Brescia Corse: Carlo Facetti/Eric Tondelli N. Toine Hezemans 'brand new' at Hockenheim 4 July - never seen again R. Hasag: Heinz Derflinger at Wunstorf 15 Aug - maybe too late for this list S. Reg Philips Shelsley Walsh 15 Aug - maybe too late for this list W. Giovanni Alberti/Mario Casoni at Monza 1000 km 25 Apr The two Italian cars ('L' and 'W') will be amongst the many Tondelli cars on the list. The Febraio car is a puzzle but I do have one or two clues to follow on this. The Toine Hezemans Hockenheim car may also be a Tondelli car as Hezemans joins the Osella-Abarth team shortly after. The Derflinger car is likely to be a Siffert customer car. The Reg Phillips car is a puzzle - Steve, do you know how long he kept it? |
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And I just spoke to some one that confirmed the other Sebring car was a B16 with the roof cut off, (not a proper B19) his source actually saw the roof being cut off at Sheirson's workshop!
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Jeremy, does Nick recall whether the car was brand new or whether Shierson had raced it in the US during the 1971 season? I bit much to expect him to remember but it would help place it in the list.
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Henk,wasnt this the restoration of the original aluminium B16S bodywork, originally done for Don Shead?
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And I just spoke to some one that confirmed the other Sebring car was a B16 with the roof cut off, (not a proper B19) his source actually saw the roof being cut off at Sheirson's workshop! and he still has the original hacksaw but with its 3rd new handle and 534 blade
Henk,wasnt this the restoration of the original aluminium B16S bodywork, originally done for Don Shead?I am told by the horse mouths cousins next door neighbour that the original alloy body from the remains of the crashed B16S cum Humbles B19 did go to Vins place and sat there for a long time is that may be the car now owned by Roy Walzer? Or is this subject for discussion in the B16 thread?unlikely to be a real B16 cut around allen N. Toine Hezemans 'brand new' at Hockenheim 4 July - never seen againi believe the B19 with M12 won its 1st race then was shunted at the next event never seen again should be #15 The two Italian cars ('L' and 'W') will be amongst the many Tondelli cars on the list.Casoni was Brescia corse club member so highly likely to be the same car- here is where you need to look at the Autosprints!! |
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Talking of Shierson, here's a race result from Martin Krejci's highly reliable World Sports Racing Prototypes website on the US National Races 1971 page.
American Road Race of Champions (Race 13 - A & B Sports Racing), Road Atlanta 28 Nov 1971 Douglas Shierson ("Chevron B19") Bill Barber ("Chevron B19") Stephen Behr ("Chevron B19") Shierson finished, Barber retired and Behr is given as a DNS which may mean he wasn't even present. As the results will have worked from the entry list, there is no guarantee that they actually turned up with the cars that they entered. The BSR results on the VIR site (ref) lists all three as above but adds home towns: Douglas Shierson, Adrian, Mich. (CE Div) Chevron B19 Bill Barber, Birmingham, Mich. (CE Div) Chevron B19 Stephen Behr, Wellesley Hill, Mo. (SW Div) Chevron B19 Bill Barber was Nick Craw's co-driver at Daytona and Sebring in 1972 so was presumably running one of Shierson's cars. Stephen Behr had raced at Barcelona (with Helmut Kelleners) in October 1971 so maybe he'd bought a B19 while he was there. It gave him two weeks to get it to Daytona for the Run-Offs. Or maybe he just planned to buy one... Last edited by allenbrown; 5 Jan 2009 at 20:39. |
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