Chevron B48

[driftwood]

thanks Chris
spme note sto add /confuse
1 car 7 is the shunted FA spec car now being rebuilt by SL

2 Bobby Rahal cars- 1 car was rebuilt by simon hadfield with 1600 bda sold to worrad then to de wagter I assume # 5 ( he technically retains 2 B48 cars # 3 & 5 ? )

3 Steve jewell had 2 B48 cars # 1 & 3 so #3 is sold to de wagter with hart 420r motor SJ retains the Blue car chassis 1? with 420R

4 chassis 8 is this the donington GT Esprit car from Robinson to Rhodes

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by driftwood

3 Steve jewell had 2 B48 cars # 1 & 3 so #3 is sold to de wagter with hart 420r motor SJ retains the Blue car chassis 1? with 420R

Of the two chassis Steve Jewell sprinted & hillclimbed number 1. This car was developed over the years, sometimes through accidentental damage.

I am awaiting a reply as to whether Steve still has the car.

[Dan Rear]

Excellent update chaps, all looks OK to my amateur eyes! Howeverm to nitpick Chris, did Salisbury run the occasional 79 F2 car -10, for Luyendijk and B de D? I thought it was RAM, which would tie-in with Bernards AFX drive that year.

Drifty, yes -08 was the Robinson Esprit conversion, later to Rhodes.

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

In the two races where the car is entered, Zandvoort [Luyendijk] and Enna [de Dryver DNA] the entrant is given as Bob Salisbury Racing.
Stefan Ornedahl's site shows the entrant for Donington as RAM Racing/Bob Salisbury Racing, but as de Dryver isn't in the programme I wonder what document that information comes off.
Agree that RAM would tie in with de Dryver's AFX commitments in 79, but remember that Salisbury had run him in F2 in 1977 and 1978 so trying to have him run the F2 programme would make sense, whereas RAM had no experience of the F2 circus

Chris

[James Murray]

These are photos of B42-14-78 when my dad bought it from Paul Gardner, who had bought it from Carl Amos.

I read in Autosport yesterday there is a B48 being converted back to B42 spec by the Ames family. Which car is this?

[driftwood]

not heard yet which chassis this is but it aint gonna be a true b42 unless they have the japanese development car
im guessing its the B50/??FA car that was built up by chevron scotland

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by James Murray

These are photos of B42-14-78 when my dad bought it from Paul Gardner, who had bought it from Carl Amos.

I read in Autosport yesterday there is a B48 being converted back to B42 spec by the Ames family. Which car is this?

This is the ex-David Seaton car. It was part of the deal where David bought the Pilbeam-Hart Turbo from John Garnett, Garnett took the Chevron as part of the deal but is was instantly sold onto Carl Amos who was a friend of Garnett's. Amos then ran it in Sprints until it went to Paul Gardner.

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Dan

In the two races where the car is entered, Zandvoort [Luyendijk] and Enna [de Dryver DNA] the entrant is given as Bob Salisbury Racing.
Stefan Ornedahl's site shows the entrant for Donington as RAM Racing/Bob Salisbury Racing, but as de Dryver isn't in the programme I wonder what document that information comes off.
Agree that RAM would tie in with de Dryver's AFX commitments in 79, but remember that Salisbury had run him in F2 in 1977 and 1978 so trying to have him run the F2 programme would make sense, whereas RAM had no experience of the F2 circus

Chris

Chris, I have that 79 Donny prog with me now, no mention at all of BdeD, Arie, or indeed RAM or Salisbury, so Stefan's wrong on this one!

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Dan

In the two races where the car is entered, Zandvoort [Luyendijk] and Enna [de Dryver DNA] the entrant is given as Bob Salisbury Racing.
Stefan Ornedahl's site shows the entrant for Donington as RAM Racing/Bob Salisbury Racing, but as de Dryver isn't in the programme I wonder what document that information comes off.
Agree that RAM would tie in with de Dryver's AFX commitments in 79, but remember that Salisbury had run him in F2 in 1977 and 1978 so trying to have him run the F2 programme would make sense, whereas RAM had no experience of the F2 circus

Chris

Just seen a pic of the Luyendijk B48 at the Zandvoort F2 meeting on another site. Unfortunately its a 'helmet' shot only, so very little detail. Marlboro stickers evident though, at least it proves Arie was there!

On the same site there's one of Boy Hayje in a 79B modded 782. Looks like a Toleman car. Did he hire one for this race?

[driftwood]

can you post foto of the car or link to thread

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by driftwood

can you post foto of the car or link to thread

Sorry DW, my techy skills are zero, like your typing!!

Its on the Historic FF2000 site, the Forum, 'MarketPlace', CTG for Sale thread, link from the 1st posting there. Its about Dutch FF2000. Best of luck!

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Sorry DW, my techy skills are zero, like your typing!!

Its on the Historic FF2000 site, the Forum, 'MarketPlace', CTG for Sale thread, link from the 1st posting there. Its about Dutch FF2000. Best of luck!

http://www.racehistorie.nl/FF2000/FF2000_m.htm

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

Hayje rented Henton's 782 chassis 24.

Chris

[driftwood]

thanks chaps im with Dan ! u can see the toleman colours on the 782 maybe the link needs to be hosted /posted on 782 thread as well?

[Chris Townsend]

I wondered about the Toleman colours on that bodywork, because Henton ran it in plain white in 1978. He wasn't backed by Toleman.
Presumably in 1979 when he ran the car as a private operation whilst driving the Toleman Ralt he bought some ex Dougall bodywork for it.

Chris

[driftwood]

did BH not giver his 782 to the team to use before his ( or Rads ? ) RT2 was ready?
Rad ran 782 in the 1st 3 races? before his Ralt was built maybe the BH car was a T car in the early events

[Chris Townsend]

Think you're right. Didn't Henton and Dougall both run 782s at one of the early Italian races while they went away and tested the Ralt?
By that time Toleman had sold off 782-2 to Paul Smith so would only have had chassis 12 of their original 782s

Chris

[Dan Rear]

I've always assumed BH gave/took his 782 to the team as a dowry for his RT2drive in 79.

[PZR]

This is a long thread to read through, but I just went through it and hopefully can provide some fresh information. I noted posts #176, #250 & #280 of the thread especially.

These shots are from the F2 race of the 1978 JAF Grand Prix meeting at Suzuka, which took place on 5th November.

Riccardo Patrese drove a Chevron B48, sponsored by Racing Mate and Aeroflot, powered by a Hart 420R. He finished in 3rd place.

Photos from Japanese AUTO SPORT magazine show the chassis plate, which reads 'B48-79-02'.

[driftwood]

well chris that answers some of your questions !!

[Dan Rear]

So this proves the Japanese car as -02, which must mean Rahal's works -01, was built in late 78 aswell I assume. Where does -08 now fit into the picture? Didn't we think -08 was built around the Patrese/Japanese/late 78 car, ie this one we now know was -02? Confused...

[Chris Townsend]

Dan
08 is described, when it becomes 08 part way through the 1979 season as Rosberg's Japanese car. And as ex Patrese Macau chassis an updated B42 which Gaillard drove earlier this year. Observed as 08 AF/DR Donington Also Jordan at Phoenix Park, Sept 79 ['Devaney's Donington F2 mount' MN 27.9.79

So it looks as though the development car is rebuilt and taken to Macau. At much the same time 01 and 02 must be finished and 02 shipped to Japan, with 01 doing the European testing. The development car comes back after Macau, perhaps because there are no interested punters for an Atlantic spec wing car [wise...] and then is rebuilt to F2 spec for Gaillard.
I'm suspicious of that claim that this was Rosberg's Japanese car as well as the Macau one because when Rosberg appears he does so with a B48 entered by Nikko Racing which is the entrant, later, for Fujita, who presumably got chassis 2. And it would mean they rebuilt it from Atlantic to F2 spec in Japan...

Chris

[PZR]

From post #300 of this thread:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

2: 1979 Le Mans: Naohiro Fujita probably in a landfill site in Japan

Can I ask you what makes you speculate that this chassis is "probably" in a "landfill site in Japan".......?

[driftwood]

to change FA car to F2 spec is a "simple" engine swap BDA adaptor plate to hart 420R at most if the starter motor is in a different position
hart bda block stud pattern is the same and i think its the same length so no alterations to sidelinks or input shaft
wheels wings brakes all the same
The B49 is the correct designated Chevron FA car saw 1 at Brands at weekend looks the same as a B48

with regards to the speculation of the Japanese B48 being in a landfill site that is a bit of tounge in cheek

I bought reynard 93d empty roller ex Nakajima team car in 99 when i went to Nakajima team they told me "only 4 weeks ago we throw into the skip a reynard 93d !!"

when i visited Sugo Nippon race looking for cars i ask teams for old race cars when i mentioned the name Chevron the guys laughed as if i said Wilbur Wright or slate n chalk !
These guys had no interest in old race cars a 2 year old car may as well have been 10 years old
OK some F2 cars became Mooncraft GC cars from 79 onwards when they stopped using the Group 6 sports cars like lola T290-292/Chevron B19-36 cars but these appear to be mainly March chassis or even march corners on home built/ Mooncraft built monocoques

There was no historic racing in japan in the 80`s as we have here and no libre events or club racing to utilise the older cars in as we have done the past 30 years so its a fair assumption that the B48 may have been scrapped after it was cannibalised for engine gearbox spares for newer car

There are a few historic events today in japan but they seem to be with ex UK or USA supplied race cars purchased in the late 80`s/early 90`s before teh "bubble" burst

I know some of the Japanese festivals now run with demo display runs and many Japanese cars run again having been fully restored but from what little i have seen they are often factory associated cars
However PZR we welcome any input that you have or may find in the course of your reading your collection of Japanese race mags or conversations with your friends in Japan
We can recite english data as it is out mother tongue and translate some french /italian race reports with our self taught or old school lessons but the Japanese is a tough nut to crack and even with my contacts its a toughy As you know yes means no in japan !

[Chris Townsend]

PZR
Thank you for those amazing photos! When I commented that the car was probably in landfill I was referring to the Japanese habit of not valuing - until very recently - old racing cars, especially ones as unsuccessful as the B48. I think, as Drifty says, that the chances are it was stripped for spares and then dumped. There's no sign of a B48 in Japan after 1979, indeed, there's no sign of a Chevron except in Formula Pacific.

How did the magazine cover the other cars at the JAF GP?

Chris