Porsche 997 - Development Curve

[Spyderman]

Thanks for the info!

[Dani Filth]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

The Porsche marketing people claim strange rules for ALMS

haha .. 480 for the Porsche .. who are they kidding ??

[SebringMG]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

The Porsche marketing people claim strange rules for ALMS

Well the whole article does read a bit like a Porsche PR written submission Bit like the MG/RML ones in the MG mags tbh

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

haha .. 480 for the Porsche .. who are they kidding ??

Why do you say that? Sure it has a bit more, and no manufacture wants complete disclosure.

Here is the info off Penske's site:

"2008 Porsche V-8 Engine Specifications

Capacity: 3397 cc
Engine output: Approx 480 bhp at 10,300 rpm (with current A.C.O. restriction)
Max torque: Approx 273 lb-ft at 7,500 rpm
Output per litre: Approx 148 bhp
Fuel grade: Series-specified IMSA 100/E10 (100 octane/10% ethanol)"

[Spyderman]

It is a Porsche magazine.

[slotcarnews]

FLMS hasn't yet shown their 2008 cars. The cars that have been seen are the 2007 cars with some updated bodywork, not the cars that will be run in 2008. They will be allowed to run the cars lighter this year.

Dave K

[tux]

This is the new porsche 997 which has been developed for fia gt3 and national series running to gt3 regulations
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080206....e-car-revealed

Porsche will also offer a kit to ugrade last years cars to this new spec.

Tech-9 will be campaigning one in british gt this season

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by tux

This is the new porsche 997 which has been developed for fia gt3 and national series running to gt3 regulations
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080206....e-car-revealed

Also see http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...07#post2122307

[tux]

ahh sorry didnt see it posted there.

[gwyllion]

Some hard words about Porsche's development of the 997 GT2 car and dealing with customers: http://www.sportscarpros.com/not-tha...st/default.htm

[old man]

Thanks Gwyllion, fascinating interview. I think I mentioned earlier the comments at the Porsche dinner, seems my informant got it right

[gwyllion]

I guess you are referring to

I think the comments at the Porsche Christmas party by Dr Wiedeking tend to confirm this view. “You can go racing as long as it makes a profit, or does not cost money” or words to that effect.

Porsche needs to change their attitude and put some serious development in their GT2 car. They are (far) behind on Ferrari and Aston Martin/Prodrive and BMW are coming with a promising car (with engine at slighty better location than Porsche).

[Spyderman]

To be fair, no other manufacturer races on so many fronts in so many classes and with so many clients as Porsche.
Last year, we saw the success of the RS Spyder program (some say at the cost of the 997 program). We saw the relative failure of the 997 program (not forgetting their successes in the 24h races).
This year we have seen the "overheating" fiasco in the 24h of Daytona , and the migration of many clients away from Porsche to other manufacturers.
Now we are seeing all this "bad" press.
Maybe it is time that Porsche steps back and re-evaluates their method of going racing.

[PorscheFanNo1]

If by re-evaluate you mean by throwing money into the racing program from the road cars then yeah, but otherwise no!

[arakis]

[QUOTE=Spyderman]To be fair, no other manufacturer races on so many fronts in so many classes and with so many clients as Porsche.
QUOTE]

are u kiding, did u seem to forget that ferrari is racing at top level in formula 1 and in the past 9 years won 7 manufacture titles and 6 world driver titles. and u must admit that a whole lot more efort goes to f1 then to all of prsches raceing put together

[gwyllion]

I agree that Porsche sells a lot of race cars, but BMW is also involved in a lot of (more diverse) race classes: Formula 1, Formula BMW, touring cars (WTCC/BTCC/...), endurance (120d, Z4 M, and now M3) and rally raid (of course not as factory team, but the engine was developed by BMW).

[Spyderman]

Porsche does ALMS, Super Cup, Carrera Cup, LMS, GT3, Grand Am, FIAGT.
Porsche is by far, the largest manufacturer of out of the box sports car racers.

[FIRE]

BMW and Porsche are two of my favourite manufacturers because customer racing is an important part of their motorsport business.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Porsche does ALMS, Super Cup, Carrera Cup, LMS, GT3, Grand Am, FIAGT.

ALMS, LMS and FIAGT are competitions with the same rules and Super Cup, Carrera Cup and GT3 are almost the same car. Porsche only has 3 race cars: RS Spyder, 911 GT3 RSR and 911 GT3 Cup (in different versions).

BMW has far more: F1, Formula BMW, 320si (WTCC, BTCC, STCC, DTCC, etc.), 120d, Z4 M Coupe, M3, X3CC.

[NightStalk3r]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

ALMS, LMS and FIAGT are competitions with the same rules and Super Cup, Carrera Cup and GT3 are almost the same car. Porsche only has 3 race cars: RS Spyder, 911 GT3 RSR and 911 GT3 Cup (in different versions).

BMW has far more: F1, Formula BMW, 320si (WTCC, BTCC, STCC, DTCC, etc.), 120d, Z4 M Coupe, M3, X3CC.

Cayman, and there is also a 997 Rallycar or 2 floating arround.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Cayman, and there is also a 997 Rallycar or 2 floating arround.

I wasn't aware Porsche Motorsport build such cars In that case, you have to count the GrandAM M6, Italian SuperStars M5, converted 1 and 3 series, etc

[PorscheFanNo1]

But those are not built by Porsche themselves, but by Alzen and different builders/tuners. How many of those Z4 and X3 and those are actually built by BMW Motorsport?

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

How many of those Z4 and X3 and those are actually built by BMW Motorsport?

Z4 M coupe and 120d have been developed by BMW Motorsport. So I guess they build them as well.

The X3MM is developed and build by X-Raid, but the engine was developed by BMW. Latter the same engine appeared in production cars, like 335d.

[arakis]

again ferrari has moore,
Ferrari challinge, a1gp, F1, gt2, gt3,

Race cars f12008
430 challinge
430 gt2
430 gt3
all a1gp cars since this year

//Porsche does ALMS, Super Cup, Carrera Cup, LMS, GT3, Grand Am, FIAGT.//

and f1 alone is worth in development and cash alot more then all those put together

if you look closley porsche and ferrari both have the same amount of race cars, only diff is porsche top race car is not even in the top prototype category and has no chance what so ever of wining LeMans the most important race for prototype cars, while ferrari races in f1 and has dominated it for the past 9 years.

the point isnt who race in more categories, the point is even though ferrari raced and won f1 last year they beat porsche at their own game in gt2.

what kind of an excuse is that porsche was more into rs spyder and not into 997 and they lost, do you have any idea what would have hapend if Gentiva sportiva totaly prepared the 430 and the drivers were MS, Kimi and masa
porsche would have pulled out of gt2. angain ferrari put way less into 430 then porshe did into 997, I mean 997 is developed by Porsche Motorsport, and the 430 by Michelotto.

[Spyderman]

Go ahead and knock yourself out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche