The Alonso blocking/penalty thread (AKA The rage is on !) [MERGED] - Page 13

**dtype38** · 4 Aug 2007, 22:27 (Ref:1980987)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

In the modern era of F1,races are (unfortunately) won and lost in the pit lane.

Indeed.... but does there need to be a "protest" by a driver for the stewards to look into a possible cse of "blocking" (on track or in pit lane)?

ensign14 · 4 Aug 2007, 22:30 (Ref:1980989)

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Originally Posted by Down F0rce

Hamilton was ordered to allow Alonso to pass him in Q3, which he did not do.

Yes, quite rightly Hamilton obeyed the rules of the sport and did not accede to team orders that could have seen both McLarens disqualified.

Hazard · 4 Aug 2007, 22:32 (Ref:1980990)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

Yes, quite rightly Hamilton obeyed the rules of the sport and did not accede to team orders that could have seen both McLarens disqualified.

Interesting take - but the team orders rule only applies to race positions - otherwise giving one driver a slightly fuller tank so he'd only qualify second could be considered a team order?

The line's got to be drawn somewhere on 'team orders', and I think qualifying should certainly be excepted.

Marbot · 4 Aug 2007, 22:33 (Ref:1980991)

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Originally Posted by Down F0rce

Hamilton was ordered to allow Alonso to pass him in Q3, which he did not do.

Which of course is a team matter,but unfortunately Alonso (or whoever) overstepped that boundary.

JeremySmith · 4 Aug 2007, 22:37 (Ref:1980993)

So Alonso is going to start the race from the car park then is he?

Down F0rce · 4 Aug 2007, 22:38 (Ref:1980994)

Autosport confirm that McLaren will get no points from this race.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61371

What a joke.

strider · 4 Aug 2007, 22:38 (Ref:1980995)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

Yes, quite rightly Hamilton obeyed the rules of the sport and did not accede to team orders that could have seen both McLarens disqualified.

Why? Surely the rules in qualifying are different from those in races? Hamilton was quite happy to follow the team's agreed strategy for the qualifying session in Q1 and Q2, but chose to ignore it in Q3.

Anyway, what about Melbourne in '98? Didn't DC honour a pre-race agreement and let Mika retake the win after a pit lane understanding? I don't recall any disqualification then.

Marbot · 4 Aug 2007, 22:38 (Ref:1980996)

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Originally Posted by dtype38

Indeed.... but does there need to be a "protest" by a driver for the stewards to look into a possible cse of "blocking" (on track or in pit lane)?

I would have thought that anyone in the pit lane or wherever could put in a protest if they thought that what they saw was happening was in some way detrimental to the 'sport'.

JeremySmith · 4 Aug 2007, 22:39 (Ref:1980998)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

I don't see why the stewards should even have to get involved in this. It is surely a team matter. Mclaren would surely rectify things in the race if they aren't happy with the qualifying outcome, what went on in the session etc...

If Alonso is indeed dropped to sixth it is another victory for the stewards who continue to amaze me with their BS decisions season after season. Just don't even get me started...

What then is the point of having stewards?

TWRv12 · 4 Aug 2007, 22:39 (Ref:1980999)

Mega McMerc shambles. Threw away the front and a great shot at a one, two.

The team let both there driver down. They put they in that position.

F1n · 4 Aug 2007, 22:40 (Ref:1981000)

McLaren will not be allowed to score any constructor points this weekend, following this punishment does it suggest Alonso was following orders from somebody?, otherwise what is the point in this punishment, Alonso blocking Hamilton can not have an effect on the contructors championship that would benefit McLaren.

Rory · 4 Aug 2007, 22:41 (Ref:1981001)

What, in their burn off period?

NAC · 4 Aug 2007, 22:42 (Ref:1981002)

No points for McLaren for constructers championship according to F1 live

"The FIA also decided that McLaren Mercedes will not earn any points from the race for the constructers’ world championship".

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...05001402.shtml

strider · 4 Aug 2007, 22:42 (Ref:1981003)

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Originally Posted by strider

The Stewards did not believe either Alonso's explanation or McLaren's, but there is a right to appeal.

Just to clarify, Alonso has no right of appeal, but McLaren do and have exercised it. Separate hearing before the International Court of Appeal in due course.

Knowlesy · 4 Aug 2007, 22:43 (Ref:1981004)

Yep, totally idiotic really.

Farce is not a term I like to use, but I think it is warranted here.

Hazard · 4 Aug 2007, 22:43 (Ref:1981005)

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Originally Posted by strider

Anyway, what about Melbourne in '98? Didn't DC honour a pre-race agreement and let Mika retake the win after a pit lane understanding? I don't recall any disqualification then.

They were told never to do that again though. That was also 'controversial'.

Since the constructors penalty is because McLaren have lied to protect their 1-2, I can see merit in it.

My disgust is now just reduced to shame that Alonso didn't get away with it as it were. I think it's just taken some of the fun out of it.

Marbot · 4 Aug 2007, 22:44 (Ref:1981006)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

So Alonso is going to start the race from the car park then is he?

No,not that boundary.....but there's time yet.

I think that unfortunately this may be the beginning of something rather more terminal for McLaren's season.

924nut · 4 Aug 2007, 22:46 (Ref:1981007)

I see it as simple re this penalty - McLaren have brought the sport into disrepute - by this embarrassing fiasco therefore the team punishment -

Knowlesy · 4 Aug 2007, 22:47 (Ref:1981009)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Since the constructors penalty is because McLaren have lied to protect their 1-2, I can see merit in it.

Well I suppose this is a ground breaking day. This must be the first time someone in F1 has been economical with the truth to protect their status!

The rest of the grid has been warned! Err....

Were these incredible lies? I see statements that perhaps could be construed as spin, but total lies.... I don't know.

It's all completely hopeless.

Knowlesy · 4 Aug 2007, 22:48 (Ref:1981011)

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Originally Posted by 924nut

I see it as simple re this penalty - McLaren have brought the sport into disrepute - by this embarrassing fiasco therefore the team punishment -

Brought it into disrepute with who? The News Of The World?

God my head hurts at the sheer numb-nuttedness of it all! What a fiasco...

**touringlegend** · 4 Aug 2007, 22:48 (Ref:1981013)

Aren't these damn stewards killjoys !

Just totally ruined the race for me.

broadrun96 · 4 Aug 2007, 22:48 (Ref:1981015)

Is Mclaren going to have enough people left to appeal/defend themselves everywhere but on the race track? Some lawyers will be making some good money this month from them

Marbot · 4 Aug 2007, 22:49 (Ref:1981018)

Pitpass originally lead with an article stating that there was no penalty.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=32359

Very strange.But hey,isn't this F1 just of late.

Hazard · 4 Aug 2007, 22:51 (Ref:1981020)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Well I suppose this is a ground breaking day. This must be the first time someone in F1 has been economical with the truth to protect their status!

The rest of the grid has been warned! Err....

Were these incredible lies? I see statements that perhaps could be construed as spin, but total lies.... I don't know.

It's all completely hopeless.

Lying/spinning to the media's one thing. Talking tripe to stewards is another. And if there's a tape recording proving it's bull, more fool them surely?

924nut · 4 Aug 2007, 22:51 (Ref:1981022)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Brought it into disrepute with who? The News Of The World?

God my head hurts at the sheer numb-nuttedness of it all! What a fiasco...

Do you not think that the sport of F1 is now a laughing stock all over the world!

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