2013 12 Hours of Sebring Entry List Speculation - Page 14

HORNDAWG · 15 Feb 2013, 22:35 (Ref:3205566)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

What is the P2 tire situation? I have lost track (not sure I was on track....), but wan't there talk of being on control tires, this year?

Geet ouwtta heere'!

L.P.

pdxracefan · 15 Feb 2013, 22:44 (Ref:3205575)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

What is the P2 tire situation? I have lost track (not sure I was on track....), but wan't there talk of being on control tires, this year?

I seem to remember reading something about the same thing. Problem is, can't remember where. Can't find anything from Dagys on Speed.

Maelochs · 15 Feb 2013, 23:12 (Ref:3205600)

Last I heard PC was supposed to be on Contis, and maybe GTC, with GTE open and now, with both P2 and DP cars in the top class, who knows?

The class loses its ACO relevance if it stays on Contis, but I am not sure that really matters to the management.

TheMightyM · 15 Feb 2013, 23:26 (Ref:3205605)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Last I heard PC was supposed to be on Contis, and maybe GTC, with GTE open and now, with both P2 and DP cars in the top class, who knows?

The class loses its ACO relevance if it stays on Contis, but I am not sure that really matters to the management.

I think some people are confusing the years. 2013 -- tires as before, except Dunlop has pulled out of ALMS, so presumably all P cars will be on Michelin.

2014 P2/DP tire situation is TBD.

**skycafe** · 15 Feb 2013, 23:56 (Ref:3205615)

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Originally Posted by TheMightyM

I think some people are confusing the years. 2013 -- tires as before, except Dunlop has pulled out of ALMS, so presumably all P cars will be on Michelin.

2014 P2/DP tire situation is TBD.

That may be the case, confusing the year, I just reread the Dagys Sebring Test report, and it is slightly unclear http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...est-notebook2/

Perhaps it is me?

TheMightyM · 16 Feb 2013, 00:10 (Ref:3205622)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

That may be the case, confusing the year, I just reread the Dagys Sebring Test report, and it is slightly unclear http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...est-notebook2/

Perhaps it is me?

My bad, I had completely misread that as being for 2014. So it seems we do have a P2 tire issue this year.

Dyson Mazda · 16 Feb 2013, 13:52 (Ref:3205861)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Last I heard PC was supposed to be on Contis, and maybe GTC, with GTE open and now, with both P2 and DP cars in the top class, who knows?

The class loses its ACO relevance if it stays on Contis, but I am not sure that really matters to the management.

The problem with going to Contis is that if Grand Am is any measure it is quite an inferior tire to the Michelins and that might slow speeds to the point that they begin to interfere with the GT class.

JLGarcia · 16 Feb 2013, 16:46 (Ref:3205903)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

The problem with going to Contis is that if Grand Am is any measure it is quite an inferior tire to the Michelins and that might slow speeds to the point that they begin to interfere with the GT class.

As has been said before, Continental is capable of making more than one compound, you know.

HORNDAWG · 16 Feb 2013, 17:26 (Ref:3205918)

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Originally Posted by JLGarcia

As has been said before, Continental is capable of making more than one compound, you know.

And you think that just changing the compound on the Conti will make it equal to the many different iterations of Michelin?

L.P.

Dyson Mazda · 16 Feb 2013, 18:34 (Ref:3205933)

Just curious but when was the last time Continental won a somewhat significant car race (not like the local club races) that involved multiple tire manufacturers?

JLGarcia · 16 Feb 2013, 18:42 (Ref:3205936)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

And you think that just changing the compound on the Conti will make it equal to the many different iterations of Michelin?

That's not the conversation we're having. Whether PC or P2 on Continentals would necessarily be slow enough as to further interfere with GT is.

2 different topics. Pay attention. Thanks so much.

NaBUru38 · 17 Feb 2013, 10:20 (Ref:3206145)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

Just curious but when was the last time Continental won a somewhat significant car race (not like the local club races) that involved multiple tire manufacturers?

No idea. But did they actually try?

GT-Eins · 17 Feb 2013, 12:22 (Ref:3206189)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

Just curious but when was the last time Continental won a somewhat significant car race (not like the local club races) that involved multiple tire manufacturers?

They are the only Tire Manufaturer with a 100% winning record in Le Mans:
1 Appearance & 1 win (in 1952 with the Mercedes 300 SL of Lang/Riess)
In the 60´s and 70´s they provided lots of tires for the Sportscar-World Championship.

Actually their GA-tires are made in a cooperation with Hoosier.

gregtummer · 17 Feb 2013, 15:58 (Ref:3206231)

So we still have the "orange blossoms" rumor out there right?

Oreca 03 or Team Manthey?

The Badger · 17 Feb 2013, 18:01 (Ref:3206256)

I reckon its an Oreca 03 .....

HORNDAWG · 17 Feb 2013, 21:33 (Ref:3206358)

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Originally Posted by JLGarcia

That's not the conversation we're having. Whether PC or P2 on Continentals would necessarily be slow enough as to further interfere with GT is.

2 different topics. Pay attention. Thanks so much.

It is the conversation we are having. If Conti can not reach the level of the Michelins it slows everything down, which puts them square in the way of the free tire class GTEs. As to the last part of your post

!!

L.P.

JLGarcia · 18 Feb 2013, 00:47 (Ref:3206471)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

It is the conversation we are having. If Conti can not reach the level of the Michelins it slows everything down, which puts them square in the way of the free tire class GTEs. As to the last part of your post

!!

L.P.

I'm going to type s-l-o-w-l-y: Whether Continental (is is that hard to type out?) can compete directly with Michelin is irrelevant to whether they can produce a faster compound than the current DP tire, thus getting the PC cars out of the way of GT.

J.G.

NaBUru38 · 18 Feb 2013, 00:58 (Ref:3206476)

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Originally Posted by JLGarcia

Continental (is is that hard to type out?)

Conti is a nickname, like Schumi, Nando, Bimmer (Bemba) and Porks (Porsche).

Maelochs · 18 Feb 2013, 05:33 (Ref:3206545)

JLGarcia—If Continental produces tires for P2, then the question of whether Continental can match Michelin becomes very important.

P2 teams wanting to go to Le Mans will have to either switch to Michelins (and learn all new set-ups for varying conditions, which will be a set-back) or run on Contis, so if the Contis aren’t as good as the Michelins, there will be an issue. And at Le mans if North American P2s are on Copntis they will have to vccompete directly with Michelin.

I am sure Continental can produce a wide range of racing tires—their Hoosier division does for oval-track racers. On the other hand, will Continental do the development work to catch them up with Michelin (which is the world standard for sports car tires currently) by the start of 2014? Will they want to make that investment?

Michelin has been gathering data and doing real-world testing (racing) for a whole lot of years. Can Conti catch up in 18 months? Rather, will they choose to spend the money?

Also—telling people what to talk about might be fine in some communities. Here, if it’s about racing and reasonably relevant, we kind of go with the flow.

Bubak · 19 Feb 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3207469)

What can I say?

https://twitter.com/johndagys/status/303970687285084161

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Note: Porsche 991 set to test at Sebring ahead of @FIAWEC season. Not expected to race in #ALMS this year.

Livininthinair · 20 Feb 2013, 00:22 (Ref:3207581)

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Originally Posted by Bubak

What can I say?

https://twitter.com/johndagys/status/303970687285084161

Things that make you say hmmmmmm....... What would be the point of bringing a 991 RSR to America this early in the season? just to test at Sebring? then not turn a single lap in anger? There has to be more to this story...

gregtummer · 20 Feb 2013, 00:39 (Ref:3207588)

"Orange blossoms?"

**joeb** · 20 Feb 2013, 01:02 (Ref:3207597)

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Originally Posted by Livininthinair

Things that make you say hmmmmmm....... What would be the point of bringing a 991 RSR to America this early in the season? just to test at Sebring? then not turn a single lap in anger? There has to be more to this story...

I agree, but testing and not running isn't unheard of. Audi did it a few years ago. Plus Sebring has the obvious benefit if being warm at this time of year. Not to mention its ability to break cars

**joeb** · 20 Feb 2013, 02:44 (Ref:3207610)

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Originally Posted by gregtummer

"Orange blossoms?"

I just thought of a few "out there" orange connections - based on car colours of course! How about a Autocon P2? Or an 8star Ferrari? The 8star camp is in Florida too, where a lot of oranges are grown

Octane · 20 Feb 2013, 06:44 (Ref:3207693)

Who's going this year?

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