[LM24 Race] Le Mans 2011 - Race Week Thread - Scrutineering/Qualifying/Race

[broadrun96]

Also, wasn't the ACO supposed to release the details of the waivers for each chassis this year? I haven't seen anyone on here post a link if it is available yet. I'm kind of interested to know how many of the Vette waivers are for things to make the ZR-1 raceable, especially given the engine has shrunk, lost a supercharger and carbon brakes.

[Victor_RO]

Any word on whether the 76 Porsche will be taking any further part in proceedings?

[NightStalk3r]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Any word on whether the 76 Porsche will be taking any further part in proceedings?

It will be back tonight.

[nemanjas]

Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

It will be back tonight.

Great news!

[tmaier]

When is the first session?

[arakis]

BTW uberben, I dont mind BMWs and Corvettes almost 50 waivers that are not performance boosting, unavoidable stuff like, glass house surface area and suspension pick-up points for example because of the base car. The ferraris width is not a performance boost, but a simple fact that the base car is very wide, and when you fit those wide tires on the car it is that wide, you cant make it slimer without seriosly changing the chassis, suspension...

Ido mind, that BMWs engine is nowere near the place it is in the road car, same with the transmition. I would love to se a road M3 with one of those race m3 bonets, with those huge holes where the engine used to be

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Honestly, I think the BMW hate should make a step back today to make room for Delta Wing hate.

[arakis]

why does everyone hate it so much, it doesent look that bad, Bet there are lots of kids out there that would love to watch that car race

[tmaier]

How can that ugly "car" even be legal? What would have happened at mulsanne yesterday if it was in place of the R18

[FastJoel31]

Originally Posted by arakis

BTW uberben, I dont mind BMWs and Corvettes almost 50 waivers that are not performance boosting, unavoidable stuff like, glass house surface area and suspension pick-up points for example because of the base car. The ferraris width is not a performance boost, but a simple fact that the base car is very wide, and when you fit those wide tires on the car it is that wide, you cant make it slimer without seriosly changing the chassis, suspension...

Ido mind, that BMWs engine is nowere near the place it is in the road car, same with the transmition. I would love to se a road M3 with one of those race m3 bonets, with those huge holes where the engine used to be

Where is the engine? The back? When you say "nowhere near", do you mean 6 inches away from production versions, or 6 feet?

[arakis]

Originally Posted by FastJoel31

Where is the engine? The back? When you say "nowhere near", do you mean 6 inches away from production versions, or 6 feet?

be your own judge
BMW M3 gtr


bmw M3

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by arakis

and the one's that suffer are Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette. because people look at the results and say oh look those sportscars are nohing special if a plain bmw can beat them.

The "plain" BMW is a sports car just as much as Porsche, Ferrari and Corvette.

[Tim Northcutt]

Originally Posted by arakis

why does everyone hate it so much, it doesent look that bad, Bet there are lots of kids out there that would love to watch that car race

At least IndyCar had the common sense to float images of the Delta Wing out as a trial balloon, so that when the fans overwhelminging screamed "No Way," they chose not to select it as their new chassis for 2012.

I think the drivers should wear drving suits that look like the "Saturday Night Live" (NBC TV in the USA) cartoon characters "The Ambiguously Gay Duo" just to make the image complete.

The thing looks like it is from a bad 1950s Buck Rogers sci-fi movie....or a giant vibrator...

Maybe they'll sell smaller scale models of it to the female sportscar fans around the world.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Acid09

The "plain" BMW is a sports car just as much as Porsche, Ferrari and Corvette.

sure it is but its seconds behind the f458, porsche gt3, corvette zr1.

[marcosgt]

Originally Posted by arakis

be your own judge
BMW M3 gtr


bmw M3

Hardly looks any different to me, from what you can see of the engine.

M.

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by arakis

sure it is but its seconds behind the f458, porsche gt3, corvette zr1.

Yeah, the plain M3 which sells for a lot less than these cars. The GTS isn't...

[FastJoel31]

Originally Posted by marcosgt

Hardly looks any different to me, from what you can see of the engine.

M.

Exactly. Look at the location of the firewall in each photo, in comparison to where the engine is (or the strut towers). Not that different.

[nemanjas]

Pretty much the same looking engine position. Auxiliary systems removed and angle of photo taken makes that V8 thrown into the chassis almost as its a DTM car.

I'd say that it is maybe tilted and moved towards middle, but not by much.

[arakis]

why was there any movement at all, when the rules state, the engine location and position must remain the same. same for the transmition, with is in the back with the diferential. while in the road car it up front...btw to me it looks like the engine in the race car is behind the front wheel center line, while in the road car its sitting on it

here is the engine position of the road car
http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...MW-M3_data.pdf

you can clearly see in the gt2 m3 pic that the firewall is behind the wheels

[NightStalk3r]

Looks like the engine is a good foot further back in the race car to me.

In the M3 production car, the gearbox is located immediately behind the engine, while in the GT2 racecar it has been re-located to form part of the rear axle assembly. As a result, the engine location in the racecar is lower and further rearward than in the production car, to the benefit of weight distribution, handling and traction.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/bmw-m3-gt2/

[FastJoel31]

Originally Posted by arakis

why was there any movement at all, when the rules state, the engine location and position must remain the same. same for the transmition, with is in the back with the diferential. while in the road car it up front...btw to me it looks like the engine in the race car is behind the front wheel center line, while in the road car its sitting on it

Because the ACO allowed it.

Regarding the transmission, where did you get that information? Do you have photos that confirm this?

Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Looks like the engine is a good foot further back in the race car to me.

Look at the position relative to the firewall and the strut towers. It is not a foot further back.

[KSR88]

What are the large ducts that are on the race car? Ducted down force elements?
Does anyone have a link to all the waivers?

[arakis]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...MW-M3_data.pdf

look at hte cross section of the road car car, you can clearly see the transmition, and engine position,

[arakis]

Originally Posted by KSR88

What are the large ducts that are on the race car? Ducted down force elements?
Does anyone have a link to all the waivers?

Declan Brennan BMW: They have 34 waivers, they're cheating bast*rds!!!
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Declan Brennan Corvette: They have 42 waivers, they are BIGGER cheating bast*rds!!! etc.....and on and on and on.....
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Paul S. Davis Some waivers are unavoidable due to the base car, glass house surface area and suspension pick-up points for example


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[skycafe]

man..........the BMW and the delta thing, that is what people are going on about.

Pescarolo is back people! Not only back but the dang thing is still the top gas/petrol car in prototypes, and I am curious to see if it will continue to be above the Rebellion.

robert