Club F3 - Page 14

Jim Spencer · 26 Jul 2006, 12:17 (Ref:1664954)

Gentlemen.

Watching this thread as an outsider who has no vested interest in either class but does like to see, and help out at, some good races occasionally..

How do you think this knocking of each others classes comes across to the casual, but obvioulsy enthisiatic (as wouldn't be reading it otherwise) observer?

Yup bit like the IRL/Indycar 'war' of a few years ago, didn't exactly do anybody any good that did it?

Either pack it in and respect each classes decisions, and just get on with promoting what each of you do.

Or

Sit down in a bar somewhere - each group get a round in - and come up with a method of getting 25-30 F3 cars on a grid..

I'll even start the discussion (NOTE discussion not slagging!) off..
Must admit that to me 1 championship that accomodated either type of engine (class split?) ran on the same rubber as current F3 (New or S'hand tyres then?) and at 15mm, should generate some big grids, now that would be worth watching...

mrsweety · 26 Jul 2006, 12:38 (Ref:1664968)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Spencer

Gentlemen.

Watching this thread as an outsider who has no vested interest in either class but does like to see, and help out at, some good races occasionally..

How do you think this knocking of each others classes comes across to the casual, but obvioulsy enthisiatic (as wouldn't be reading it otherwise) observer?

Yup bit like the IRL/Indycar 'war' of a few years ago, didn't exactly do anybody any good that did it?

Either pack it in and respect each classes decisions, and just get on with promoting what each of you do.

Or

Sit down in a bar somewhere - each group get a round in - and come up with a method of getting 25-30 F3 cars on a grid..

I'll even start the discussion (NOTE discussion not slagging!) off..
Must admit that to me 1 championship that accomodated either type of engine (class split?) ran on the same rubber as current F3 (New or S'hand tyres then?) and at 15mm, should generate some big grids, now that would be worth watching...

Good points!! and as someone thinking about joining it does put the negative vibe on thing's!!

A

driftwood · 26 Jul 2006, 14:26 (Ref:1665035)

Jim
Technically yr right and it could be so however a thing called "vested" interests causes problems
monos are different engines and concepts to f3
f3 is pure thorough bred race formula and this e cars are off the shelf on the button cars running as per fia rules
mono was a budget formula to use any chassis with street car spec engine to save costs
however the past 4 years they have let in newer cars hence the raging battle as the mono and f3 formulas have same chassis but mono has had stronger grids than f3 in the past 18 months
some mono guys would like to run in a race or 2 with f3 cars and some f3 guys dont want mongrel hybrid cars in f3 events

sadly we have too much motorsport in uk and some formulas would benefit form being merged as single seater ( nee Libre) races with say f2 Frenault mono FF2000 cars all in 1 race 3 classes but vested interests get involved
if a series is strong enough to support 20 car grids it can have its own series
If u think this is daft wait till you see the historic guys get their gnashers going

driftwood · 26 Jul 2006, 14:32 (Ref:1665041)

mr sweety i would not worry too much take the view i have -get a car plant yr hairy butt in it and drive it and give it a whirl
i have a car that can race in each category and i will run it with the same apporach in each class and that is new tyres when needed not used 3 race old carcasses and drive it as fast as i can to beat the guy in front

i give some of these guys some verbal retorts cos some talk serious bullocks and are incorrect with theor facts plus i have no one else to talk too!!

as jack brabham said "when the flag drops the BS stops !!"

i have the car for you to race in my shed
do you want the drivers mr sweety put on the side?

Cleggie · 26 Jul 2006, 15:46 (Ref:1665091)

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Originally Posted by Jim Spencer

Gentlemen.

.....How do you think this knocking of each others classes comes across to the casual, but obvioulsy enthisiatic (as wouldn't be reading it otherwise) observer?....

...Either pack it in and respect each classes decisions, and just get on with promoting what each of you do....

...

Here Here! I agree stop it!

....anyway, where was I, oh yes....those Mono cars, tut, have you seen them....as for the ride height, well....and another thing.........

skmanuk · 26 Jul 2006, 17:53 (Ref:1665165)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

sadly we have too much motorsport in uk and some formulas would benefit form being merged as single seater ( nee Libre) races with say f2 Frenault mono FF2000 cars all in 1 race 3 classes but vested interests get involved
if a series is strong enough to support 20 car grids it can have its own series
:

Not quite sure why you have lumped Formula Renault in with this, BARC F Renault has averaged 26 car grids this season.

driftwood · 26 Jul 2006, 18:59 (Ref:1665200)

they float up n down as well in numbers similar lap times as mono f3 cars
just cos this year they look good next year it may change for the worse arp f3 was like that for a few years 25 1 year 10-15 the next
FF1600 is strong at some circuits weak at others
some FR cars are getting long in tooth like 95-7 cars some guys may want to run local tracks switch to a libre type formula
F4 is similar concept as mono etc i could have had a stab at them as well

FF2000 later post urs/ HSCC cars could run as well as CF3 all very similar lap times would make good racing perhaps 3 heats and a final if u could get them to put aside vested interests of "im not racing with those cars" mentality

Jon Gray · 26 Jul 2006, 19:22 (Ref:1665224)

Is it me but I thought this topic was about Club F3 who cares about Mono or Formula Renault or any other for that matter they each have there own series and good luck to them all. I like club racing and have done it for over the past eighteen years, yes I race in Club F3 and it costs more than formula ford but you have to be realistic if I wanted lo cost racing then that’s where I would have stayed Formula Ford that is.

Club F3 gives me the opportunity to run a proper F3 car at a fraction of the cost of national F3 so need I say no more. It’s a great series with friendly people involved we all help each other out and to me that’s club racing. I rest my case.

JohnMiller · 26 Jul 2006, 21:22 (Ref:1665362)

I thought Arty B made a nice post resurrecting this thread. Shame we still have to have the continual putdowns.

I would like to state that having raced in Monoposto, and now been involved in Club F3 there is actually little similarity.

Also, having successfully raced an FVL and now driven the F398, there's not that much similarity there either.

JohnMiller · 26 Jul 2006, 21:39 (Ref:1665377)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

JM im prepared to wager £100 that your car will not do a 43 second lap on those x ply tyres

What about when you 'wagered' me the F302/4 cars would drive off into the distance from Donington onwards? LOL. I'm telling you, high 43s!

Neil1982 · 27 Jul 2006, 06:12 (Ref:1665602)

John

We would be on for participating in a Winter Cup Mono/Club F3.

Neil.

driftwood · 27 Jul 2006, 08:02 (Ref:1665671)

John i cant help it of the 02-04 drivers cant drive a greasy stick up a dogs

neil would u be on a for a winters lap dance bar crawl? lets see if miller can organise that 1st then we can gauge how good he is at organising thngs !!

cant see 43 sec on x ply tyres around BH radials yes
are u talking 43.995 or a 43.7 time

Barry Pomfret · 27 Jul 2006, 13:13 (Ref:1665921)

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Also, having successfully raced an FVL and now driven the F398, there's not that much similarity there either.

Didn't realise you could still fit into a F3 John!!

JohnMiller · 27 Jul 2006, 21:05 (Ref:1666206)

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Originally Posted by Barry Pomfret

Didn't realise you could still fit into a F3 John!!

Ho Ho. Loads of room actually!

Redracer77 · 28 Jul 2006, 13:43 (Ref:1666652)

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Ho Ho. Loads of room actually!

As long as he keeps his wallet out of his pocket he fits like a glove

JohnMiller · 29 Jul 2006, 18:34 (Ref:1667280)

LOL - I think you're confusing me with yourself again Redracer.

And I've just realised that Mr Pomfret is posting again as he's just started his annual seven week summer holiday. Mind you, he'll be along soon to point out that:

A) He has to devise timetables in August, and

B) In term-time he sometimes doesn't get home until almost 4 pm!

Redracer77 · 29 Jul 2006, 19:54 (Ref:1667305)

[QUOTE=JohnMiller]LOL - I think you're confusing me with yourself again Redracer.

lol in that case when do I get a drive in my Dallara F3!!

Barry Pomfret · 30 Jul 2006, 17:51 (Ref:1668052)

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

LOL - I think you're confusing me with yourself again Redracer.

And I've just realised that Mr Pomfret is posting again as he's just started his annual seven week summer holiday. Mind you, he'll be along soon to point out that:

A) He has to devise timetables in August, and

B) In term-time he sometimes doesn't get home until almost 4 pm!

Six week holiday and it's usually 4.30 when I get home!

Redracer77 · 13 Aug 2006, 17:05 (Ref:1681341)

Does anybody know of any Dallara F3 cars for sale with spares package?

JohnMiller · 13 Aug 2006, 17:39 (Ref:1681354)

Yes, email me and I'll let you know a few.

Redracer77 · 13 Aug 2006, 18:11 (Ref:1681369)

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Yes, email me and I'll let you know a few.

drop me your number on a pm

driftwood · 13 Aug 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1681430)

I have 2 cars 97 and 300 to sell and 2-3 more if u want them

usual thing is how much have u got to spend and what car /model engine combo do u want
see www.dallara.net

SALEEN S7R · 8 Dec 2006, 11:26 (Ref:1785018)

Just wondering if anyone has seen the latest edition of "Race and rally UK" on Motors TV? The programme that has been shown this week has covered the final 3 events of this years Club F3 championship. Im not normally a big fan of Formula 3 but for a club level series Club F3 seems very good with grids averaging around the 16 car mark.

Congratulations to Shane Kelly for taking the Championship. And Jon Gray if your reading this congratulations on securing 2nd in the Championship! Fingers crossed that you can go 1 better in 2007.

Jon Gray · 8 Dec 2006, 13:39 (Ref:1785139)

Thanks Saleen 2nd was a good result for the first year with a new car. I must thank Xtec’s Paul Knapton for giving me such a good engine. Another good point to mention is that both Shane and myself actually race and prepare are own cars which just goes to prove that club F3 is not all about money and teams privateers can do well and compete.

I have seen all the coverage on motors TV and even had a camera on my car a fare few times to.

I think club F3 will be a lot stonger in 2007 as there does seam to be a lot more interest talking of which if anyone would like more information please feel free to email me.

driftwood · 8 Dec 2006, 13:50 (Ref:1785149)

so how many new drivers will there be in 07?
Shane has his car to sell

Have they fixed the calender yet and sorted out proper races double headers etc and no Coombe!

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