CC Racing Developments Group 1 Ford Capri Mk III's

[chunterer]

Hmmm, these old red and white (and what looks like a 2.8i two toned Caspian blue over silver!!!) Capris at Macau.

It's going to be very very difficult to trace the history of them, unless someone, somewhere knows how they got out there in the early-mid 80's?

Highly likely considering how many were made that some would've been of CC origin, but then there were also a lot running in European G1 and GA upto 83/84 time....

[chunterer]

Confusingly, having been looking for info about the 1980 season, I discovered that Vince Woodman's cars were prepared by CC for this season after Gordon Spice took his cars out of Kirkbymoorside....

We orginally thoughts that Vince's cars were always CC built or prep'd as were Spice's and then later thought we'd confirmed that Vince began his relationship with CC for 1981...

I'm starting to think that both teams cars were prepared by CC but may not always have been built by them, or vice-versa!!!!!

I hope Dave Cook can find the time to join us and confirm a few things!!

[piehead]

Hello
First time here, specific work request. we are looking for an aggressively racing styled Capri for a short bit of filming work. We are planning a two day shoot on a closed public road in August. We seek a car that epitomises the unique nature of the Capri. We would also wish to temporarily wrap the car in specific (to our client) graphics of the period, anyone know car and driver for rent?

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[G.Walker]

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[KA]

Originally Posted by davyboy

The caption here says the drivers are Michael Loo and somebody with a very traditional Chinese firstname... they're last name is 'Fu' though.

... the missus can speak and read Chinese

The 'FUSPEED' number plate on the white car with blue chequers suggests Adrian Fu- described in a Motoring News report from Macau a few years later (1988) as a Hong Kong hotelier- Andy Rouse's RS500 entry at Macau in '88 carried a similar front plate and local sponsorship- Rouse had sold the car (IIRC the Guy Edwards Kaliber car) to Fu.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by KA

The 'FUSPEED' number plate on the white car with blue chequers suggests Adrian Fu- described in a Motoring News report from Macau a few years later (1988) as a Hong Kong hotelier- Andy Rouse's RS500 entry at Macau in '88 carried a similar front plate and local sponsorship- Rouse had sold the car (IIRC the Guy Edwards Kaliber car) to Fu.

So could Rouse have sold this guy the Capri in question a few years earlier as well?

[KA]

Originally Posted by chunterer

So could Rouse have sold this guy the Capri in question a few years earlier as well?

Who knows?

All I can really work out is that a number of UK-sourced touring cars seem to have been sold to local owners for the Macau race in the 80's.
IIRC, (and heading a bit off-topic) the 1988 report I was looking at over the weekend mentioned not only the ex-Edwards Sierra being sold to Adrian Fu, but Dave Brodie taking a couple of Sierras over (at least one an ex-rally car) as well, and a while back I tripped over an Autosport ad from '87 for an Escort RS Turbo built by Richard Longman for Macau in 1986.

There is the note that ORP mentioned a few posts back, which I don't totally understand:

Originally Posted by ORP

I have a note that says - (1981) Andy Rouse Engineering, 2 cars - one for Charles Sawyer-Hoare and one for Andy Rouse. In 1982 one was converted to GpA and was 4th overall??...(sorry no details!!) with drivers John Brindley/CS-H/ (Adrian Fu). Is it possible these are the two ARE cars that found their way to Macau in 84?

I'm guessing it refers to the car used by Brindley and CS-H to finish 4th at the '82 TT, but don't understand the reference to Adrian Fu- unless it means that car was later sold on to him?

[ORP]

Originally Posted by KA

I'm guessing it refers to the car used by Brindley and CS-H to finish 4th at the '82 TT, but don't understand the reference to Adrian Fu- unless it means that car was later sold on to him?

Unfortunately I don't have much more info on this. That makes sense the 4th place at the 82 TT for Brindley and CS-H. I have got those drivers down as driving but with Adrian Fu in brackets. As he is not down on the entry list as driving that No15 Capri (entered under Equipe Esso!) I guess he may of ended up with it at a later date.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by ORP

Unfortunately I don't have much more info on this. That makes sense the 4th place at the 82 TT for Brindley and CS-H. I have got those drivers down as driving but with Adrian Fu in brackets. As he is not down on the entry list as driving that No15 Capri (entered under Equipe Esso!) I guess he may of ended up with it at a later date.

Full sympathies ORP! I guess that's the problem with handwritten notes, all makes perfect sense at the time, but later it's not as clear (used to have that problem with my study notes, and to a lesser extent race programmes!!)

The only thing I can think of is like you say - could Fu have been a possible TT driver of the car to get to know it before he raced it in Macau with a view to buying it?

[billycooper]

A couple of Capri and other BTCC pics that i have scanned and downloaded from Oulton Park, taken in my late teens, not totally sure of year and drivers, and dont wont to get them wrong !, although i will have the programmes somewhere.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1678887...7624382877618/

[ORP]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Full sympathies ORP! I guess that's the problem with handwritten notes, all makes perfect sense at the time, but later it's not as clear (used to have that problem with my study notes, and to a lesser extent race programmes!!)

The only thing I can think of is like you say - could Fu have been a possible TT driver of the car to get to know it before he raced it in Macau with a view to buying it?

Yes a few scribbled notes.....etc! I think we can assume that, the Andy Rouse Engineering Capri ended up with Adrian Fu. The notes I have, came from a conversation with a guy at ARE at the time.

[chunterer]

Right thanks ORP, so I guess we can now account for one of the 1981 race cars the ex Sawyer -Hoare car going to Fu? so that leaves the other one!

I think I mentioned a few pages back in the thread that there was also an ex Woodman car knocking about Andy Rouse's workshops as well, I don't think we ever did confirm if the 2 Juicy Jeans cars were brand new builds or whether any of them were bought in from elsewhere?

A while back fellow poster annuato reckoned a rallying friend of his bought what he remembered to be a white Capri from ARE around this time?

[old man]

Noticed this thread started up again, brings back memories!

IIRC Dave Cook built sub-assemblies for the Tickford Capris, rear axles I think and Brian Martin did a lot of work for CC as specialist fabricator and engineer. Also Richard Simms at one time bought all the 3.4 Cologne engines and spares, not sure where the residue went after his sad early demise. Ah memories of years ago!!!

Thanks for the prompts

[chunterer]

Thanks oldman, well we've been in touch with Dave and he was going to have a look at some of these Grp1/GrpA threads so I'm hoping he'll join us for a chat soon.

I think i'll give him another nudge come to think of it!

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by billycooper

A couple of Capri and other BTCC pics that i have scanned and downloaded from Oulton Park, taken in my late teens, not totally sure of year and drivers, and dont wont to get them wrong !, although i will have the programmes somewhere.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1678887...7624382877618/

Excellent stuff, thanks for the link to those billy!!

I'm sure we can help with some names to cars for you!

[KA]

Originally Posted by billycooper

A couple of Capri and other BTCC pics that i have scanned and downloaded from Oulton Park, taken in my late teens, not totally sure of year and drivers, and dont wont to get them wrong !, although i will have the programmes somewhere.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1678887...7624382877618/

There's some absolute gold dust there!

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by KA

There's some absolute gold dust there!

Yup.

[old man]

Now that's how we went racing, notice the somewhat smaller motorhomes, rather less expensive transporters........ya don't know your born!!!

[Finbin]

Originally Posted by KA

There's some absolute gold dust there!

That was proper touring cars not today Max Power cars.

[chunterer]

Bump!

Having reviewed the excellent coverage of the 1980 season again last week (www.motorsportmad.com, btcc 1980 Part 4) I hadn't noticed it before but a plain white Capri seems to have turned up in the last round at Silverstone, maybe also prior to that. It's visible as the grid moves away from the line on Lap 1 if anyone fancies a look

I haven't been able to nail who's it was, but i'm thinking it may have been Chuck Nicholson. Problem is the car he entered in 1981 was Yellow.

Another contender might have been Wainright with the ex Stuart Graham car as Graham only did a couple of rounds before selling it. Can't recall if we determined if Graham sold it to him during or close season though.

[Jesper OH]

I am re-reading the 1984 Bathurst annual by Bill Tuckey and he has a notion of Dave Cook in connection with Lawrie Nelson. It appears that Cook was Nelson's Capri contact in the UK, so likely some CC input in Australia.

Jesper

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Jesper OH

I am re-reading the 1984 Bathurst annual by Bill Tuckey and he has a notion of Dave Cook in connection with Lawrie Nelson. It appears that Cook was Nelson's Capri contact in the UK, so likely some CC input in Australia.

Jesper

Excellent, thanks for finding that Jesper

I felt sure there must have been something linking some of those Capris down under with CC but was thinking there's no way we'll find out how or with whom?

So the question obviously is if Dave Cook was in touch with Nelson at least, was that for just bits or for advice on how to set up a car he may have bought from CC?

It would've made sense to me to have bought a ready made G1 car or rolling chassis + engine and then make the necessary GrpC and latterly Grp A mods afterwards rather than building up a car from scratch in Australia. That's what some people did latterly with BMW's, Sierra's and super touring cars.

Someone will know!!

[billycooper]

Posted on here a few months ago, some more pics just added to my flickr site

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1678887...th/5104907817/

[Capri Carl]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Excellent, thanks for finding that Jesper

I felt sure there must have been something linking some of those Capris down under with CC but was thinking there's no way we'll find out how or with whom?

So the question obviously is if Dave Cook was in touch with Nelson at least, was that for just bits or for advice on how to set up a car he may have bought from CC?

It would've made sense to me to have bought a ready made G1 car or rolling chassis + engine and then make the necessary GrpC and latterly Grp A mods afterwards rather than building up a car from scratch in Australia. That's what some people did latterly with BMW's, Sierra's and super touring cars.

Someone will know!!

Hi, I own the Lawrie Nelson Group C Capri. I can't confirm who Lawrie's contact in the UK was, I will ask him this week, But can confirm that he got all the Front suspension from ,as he said "Ford Motorsport in UK" The shell is a metalic silver four cylinder shell that came through Ford Australia.The rear suspension has upper and lower control arms and single leaf spring. It also has a watts linkage.
It would be good to see some pics of the suspension on a CC Capri !
I am restoring the Capri at moment hoping to have it running for our big historic meeting , Muscle Car Masters Sept '11
I also have another Group C Capri, Barry (Bo) Seton's 1980 Mk111 3.0S
This car finished 8th outright and winner of under 3.0 litre at the Bathurst 1000 in 1980.

[Grant Coo]

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