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Lol right. Though Gulf ran GT3 converted GT2 Gallardo in 2010 Silverstone 1000 KM already, just as badly. The GT1 Murcielago weren't quite as hopeless, even though most people will remember them from the JLOC shambles
Also: Abruzzi ZEOD GreenGT Hope Hybrid Old Autocon Lola AERs, maybe alright once but time does catch on Kolles CLM (to be seen though) Both the 2012 Dome and this new one could be added to the list as well, although at least they got S103 running this year LG Corvette wasn't terrible, I mean they even outqualified the factory cars at Petit in 09, it was just the laughable court case with GM that made the whole thing fiasco Anyway obviously of all of these the worst was the AMR-One trash can, but some of the others here aren't too far off Last edited by Deleted; 26 Jun 2015 at 18:57. |
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Abruzzi race version shouldn't be on that list. It qualified reasonably well in its first race and did pretty well in its second (and last) race.
It wasn't legal due to the road car not being road legal in Europe, that's why it didn't race more. |
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Don't think we can take anything out of it's performance given that it was out of the rules (the little that do exist) homologation special and we didn't know what allowances it had. In any case it's the legacy and quick exit of that particular vehicle that qualify it for the list me thinks, not speed. And the much hated looks, as with DW
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27 Jun 2015, 17:32 (Ref:3554287) | #3479 | |
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When I read the name Wirth I never associate with anything good. I'm reminded of the Simtek deathtrap that killed Roland Ratzenberger at Imola in 1994.
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28 Jun 2015, 22:32 (Ref:3554598) | #3481 | |
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07'-'08 when Wirth made the Acura P2's he used tunnels, those cars had magical levels of downforce/cornering grip. Those cars were taking Sebring turn 1 completely flatout out on fresh tires. He should go back to whatever formula they had going back then.
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28 Jun 2015, 23:07 (Ref:3554611) | #3482 | |
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It's not completely fair comparison considering how big power and downforce the monster ALMS LMP2s of that day were allowed to produce, and how IMSA had them stacked against the Audis and leftover P1 privateers.
Anyway the last time HPD really wowed us was already four years ago, with Highcroft at Sebring... |
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9 Jul 2015, 15:59 (Ref:3557018) | #3485 | |
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Let's recap
A) HPD is now officially out of 2017 LMP2 spec chassis list B) ARX-04 dead in the water, and would already be pointless to develop/purchase now C) I guess they could ask ACO if they could build LMP3, but the answer would likely just be "no because you're sort of manufacturer in this cheap privateer class - you know Ginetta so totally isn't!!!11" and there's now stupid 5 chassis spec limit because of greedy $$$ anyway D) LMP1 customers still don't seem to want put their money forward to buy chassis from HPD, and they don't build anything until they got the start up money So HPD as chassis maker, is it ? |
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HPD reap what they sow. It is that simple.
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9 Jul 2015, 16:10 (Ref:3557023) | #3487 | |
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9 Jul 2015, 16:26 (Ref:3557028) | #3488 | ||
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Had HPD been more succesfull with their latest prototypes their bid would have been taken more serious.
Also having a conservative business strategy like HPD and Dome, has proved to fail. To work as an manufacture, you need to invest in the teams to get cars out running to further develop your business. |
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HPD = HONDA Performance Development and it is a HONDA of N. America subsidiary/division. The criteria for chassis constructor stated no mfg direct involvement, = HPD out! I am thinking we will still see HPD (Honda) on the TUSC grid at least in an engine supplier capacity, and possibly also body work (ala Indy Car).
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Anyway, what Horn said. And I think the other made better arguments and $$$ reasonings anyway. HPD seems to have sort of given up on things. I'm left waiting for the LMP1 return, someday |
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When was the last time Dallara built a competitive vehicle of any sort?
And I don't mean being competitive in bizarre tenders, granted, they're very good at that. I suppose that means just competing without being involved in some corrupt ties with the organizers? |
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As far as I'm aware none of those were designed by Dallara... and that was a decade and a half ago.
You don't call Ferrari F1 cars TMG because they use their tunnel sometimes, right? But more to the point. When was the last time Dallara supplier a non-spec customer chassis that was competitive? Aren't these the very criteria that potential P2 manufacturers should be judged upon? But that's something Dallara just doesn't do. But some actually criticise HPD for being conservative with spending their own money to compete more actively. That seems like a bad case of double standards, right, CTD? At least Riley had a car in CAD a few years ago, while Multimatic bought a lot of Lola's stuff and is supporting Speedsource, aside from projects with Ford and Chrysler. Last edited by Pandamasque; 9 Jul 2015 at 18:43. |
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And no, it isn't double standards. HPD didn't invest in getting a proper customer base as argumentation for their bid. Dallara is a well established company financially independant. HPD is under American Honda Motor Co. where the plug on a customer program easily can be pulled or reshuffled. If the target for ACO is financial stable manufactures for LMP2, Dallara is a better bid than HPD in that sense. |
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When it comes to criteria that the FIA/ACO/IMSA have used to come up with their selection, we really don't have a clue and we can only guess. I wonder what would happen if one the non selected constructors (or one of their customers) would argue the whole process is out of line with the EU rules for (European) tenders??? |
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Yeah...I see HPD fading from sportscars. I guess they could use the engine in 17, but do they have anyone actually racing with one now? HPD body work...that seems to be doing super well right now...
As for Dallara, in an order to keep costs down, we've chosen a company that is going to have to design a chassis from the ground up, with little recent activities relevant to P2. They were good several years ago, makes perfect sense! What about Spice? They used to be good right? I don't know why Dallara got the nod when there are hundreds of companies who used to be be good. Heavy involvement with Audi 10-15 years ago does not translate to automatic competitiveness. |
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Seeing nobody's doing/done it implies to me that the ACO somehow managed to end up on the lawful side of restricting access to a market. |
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