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Pandemonium · 18 Oct 2013, 16:06 (Ref:3319498)

F1 is the best and it is very hard to argue against that.

Gingers4Justice · 18 Oct 2013, 16:07 (Ref:3319499)

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Originally Posted by Pandemonium

F1 is the best and it is very hard to argue against that.

Okay, but what has that got to do with this thread?

vincegail · 18 Oct 2013, 16:36 (Ref:3319505)

I think he means that F1 is the one racing series to rule them all, so it is nothing less than normal that the WEC calendar gets changed when it so pleases the Formula 1 overlords. And because of the WEC changes, stating (although completely wrong of course) that F1 is the best, deserves a place in this thread.

Gingers4Justice · 18 Oct 2013, 16:48 (Ref:3319510)

The cynic in me thought it was attempting to provoke a bite, but okay, I get that point.

F1 is certainly the dominant force though, and I think we all understand why it's happened.

deggis · 18 Oct 2013, 16:52 (Ref:3319512)

Some posts make it sound like as if WEC was a such huge threat to F1 and that this change benefits F1 more than it benefits WEC. Original Fuji date clashed not just with any F1 GP, but a GP just some hours away from Fuji (indeed, Suzuka). Where do you think an average spectator or an average journo would have gone that weekend?

Pontlieue · 18 Oct 2013, 17:27 (Ref:3319517)

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Originally Posted by Pandemonium

F1 is the best and it is very hard to argue against that.

Commercially the most successful, and the most popular. I agree with that. But the best? No, I don't think so. I think the WEC offers the better motorsport. Formula 1 today is all about DRS and artificially degrading tyres. I don't enjoy F1 as much as I used to.

Also, on the technical side, the WEC is much more interesting. Formula 1 engines all have to be 1.6L V6-Turbos. In WEC we'll have turbo-diesels, turbocharged petrol engines and normally aspirated petrol engines competing against each other, as well as different hybrid systems in the LMP1-H.

I don't think that there is any series currently threatening the status of Formula 1, but calling Formula 1 "the best" is very subjective. You should specify what you mean with the best. The commercially most successful? The fastest cars? The most interesting racing? The most interesting technology?

Back on the topic of the calendar: Having a WEC race and a Formula 1 race on the same weekend isn't a problem I think, as long as the times of the races don't clash. But I think they should avoid putting a WEC race and a Formula 1 race in the same country on the same weekend. And then the WEC has to move to a different date, because there are many motorsports fans who care more about Formula 1, and WEC would risk ending up with empty tribunes.

vincegail · 18 Oct 2013, 18:52 (Ref:3319546)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

The cynic in me thought it was attempting to provoke a bite, but okay, I get that point.

The cynic in you was probably right though

hcl123 · 18 Oct 2013, 21:00 (Ref:3319588)

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Originally Posted by vincegail

I think he means that F1 is the one racing series to rule them all, so it is nothing less than normal that the WEC calendar gets changed when it so pleases the Formula 1 overlords. And because of the WEC changes, stating (although completely wrong of course) that F1 is the best, deserves a place in this thread.

Yes interesting arguments, only F1 we can't call it a a "car" race... only by folklore approach of easy language, because in reality F1 is at best is a moto4 race, small very light all open vehicle with a very powerful engine.

The problem of WEC is the temptation of following some similarities... when they should be completely different, even *prototypes* should be required to carry 2 ppl, matter of fact they should enter the race tracks with 2 ppl *sitting* on board the cockpit ( only afterwards changed to single seat)... or not allowed to race.

TF110 · 18 Oct 2013, 21:12 (Ref:3319593)

Since were on the F1 subject, Radio LM speculated that Kobayashi might not be in the wec next year but in Sergio Perez's seat. Wonder how Ferrari feels about that.

deggis · 18 Oct 2013, 21:48 (Ref:3319612)

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Originally Posted by hcl123

The problem of WEC is the temptation of following some similarities... when they should be completely different, even *prototypes* should be required to carry 2 ppl, matter of fact they should enter the race tracks with 2 ppl *sitting* on board the cockpit ( only afterwards changed to single seat)... or not allowed to race.

Not this argument again

http://i.imgur.com/ZkngKG4.jpg

CTD · 18 Oct 2013, 22:09 (Ref:3319624)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Since were on the F1 subject, Radio LM speculated that Kobayashi might not be in the wec next year but in Sergio Perez's seat. Wonder how Ferrari feels about that.

Lets not start something OT here.
But the McLaren seat is any bodies guys! A fact however is thai McLaren is trying to get Kevin Magnussen a seat in F1 next year, so he perhaps can replace Perez in 2015.
Kobayashi will lilely never return to F1...

Lets get back to the main topic

TF110 · 18 Oct 2013, 23:15 (Ref:3319644)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Lets not start something OT here.
But the McLaren seat is any bodies guys! A fact however is thai McLaren is trying to get Kevin Magnussen a seat in F1 next year, so he perhaps can replace Perez in 2015.
Kobayashi will lilely never return to F1...

Lets get back to the main topic

Kobayashi is in the wec, as is Ferrari. Its not off topic. Hes one of my favorite drivers and has done very well in the wec and f1. You bringing up Magnussen though is a bit OT imo

j.k

ArnageWRC · 20 Oct 2013, 10:43 (Ref:3320491)

If it can be avoided, then a clash between F1 and the WEC shouldn't happen.
The Promoters/ organisers should be encouraging mainstream media, even the F1 writers to the WEC races, to show them the superior product. You can't do that when they clash.

There was a article this week in the Daily Telegraph about Kubica entering RallyGB in a works Citroen; good news for the organisers that a big 'name' had entered - due to the clash with the US F1 GP, the focus of the Motorsport world would be there. As written by their Motorsport writer.....

All none F1 series have to be clever in attracting a new audience.... They have to grow beyond 'niche'... Just look at the dearth of sponsors in some of these series.

vincegail · 20 Oct 2013, 16:44 (Ref:3320588)

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Originally Posted by vincegail

the FIA at it again! Calendar changed again! Le Mans stays the same date, but Spa-Francorchamps has been moved forward one week, and is now on the Sunday instead of Saturday. Fuji also changed. http://www.endurance-info.com/en/201...endar-updated/

Now I am a little bit confused. In this link the Spa dates are friday 2nd and saturday 3rd. Which makes more sense of course, as Spa normally takes place on the saturday.
http://www.fiawec.com/en/news/revisi...nced_1451.html

isynge · 20 Oct 2013, 18:59 (Ref:3320651)

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Originally Posted by vincegail

Now I am a little bit confused. In this link the Spa dates are friday 2nd and saturday 3rd. Which makes more sense of course, as Spa normally takes place on the saturday.
http://www.fiawec.com/en/news/revisi...nced_1451.html

Spa seems to be back to being a Saturday race. DSC has a story about how the initial change to a Sunday was a "mistake" which has now been corrected.

Saturday a much more sensible day for the Spa race, on so many levels.

vincegail · 20 Oct 2013, 19:27 (Ref:3320665)

Did you have any luck with changing your hotel dates?

hcl123 · 20 Oct 2013, 19:28 (Ref:3320666)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Not this argument again

http://i.imgur.com/ZkngKG4.jpg

No you don't have to race with 2 ppl onboard ( I think long ago it was mandatory) , its not wise from a safety perspective ( a distraction, and double the life liability).

OTOH is better than that argument, the cockpit dimensions should be regulated so that 2 medium size adults seat with some comfort.

And i wonder if it would not be wise to mandate also, that prototypes would be street legal supercars ( there are already plenty of legal supercars more powerful than this prototypes)... perhaps a FIA license plate, try to arrange homogenization among homologation legislation...

Then it will be **car** racing... which F1 definitely is not.

isynge · 20 Oct 2013, 20:32 (Ref:3320687)

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Originally Posted by vincegail

Did you have any luck with changing your hotel dates?

Yes - all sorted cheers. Benefits of being nice to the owner! Otherwise choice would have been chucking away a pretty substantial deposit or figuring a long weekend in the Ardennes not involving sportscars was a good holiday choice.

ger80 · 21 Oct 2013, 08:20 (Ref:3320878)

Spa is actually a good weekend now, bank holiday on Thursday in Germany and most people will take Friday off anyway. Bank holiday Monday after the event in the UK, so plenty of time to get back and recover

Samoan Attorney · 21 Oct 2013, 08:51 (Ref:3320889)

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Originally Posted by isynge

Spa seems to be back to being a Saturday race. DSC has a story about how the initial change to a Sunday was a "mistake" which has now been corrected.

Saturday a much more sensible day for the Spa race, on so many levels.

Not least of the benefits is that Thursday 1st May is a public holiday in Belgium, meaning that the Brussels Ring road is pretty clear, as is driving back on Sunday not Monday.

isynge · 21 Oct 2013, 08:54 (Ref:3320891)

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Originally Posted by Samoan Attorney

Not least of the benefits is that Thursday 1st May is a public holiday in Belgium, meaning that the Brussels Ring road is pretty clear, as is driving back on Sunday not Monday.

Brussels ring can be hellish in the extreme. I've at times headed south towards Valenciennes and then headed due east past Mons and Charleroi to Liege and Spa, just to avoid that particular mess, although I recall last year the level of chaos due to roadworks on Sunday was staggering.

GT6 · 21 Oct 2013, 09:40 (Ref:3320917)

As I recall the brussels ring as a bit like the m25 on friday evening, best avoided

vincegail · 21 Oct 2013, 11:02 (Ref:3320946)

One of the downsides of 1 May being a holiday, is that everything is booked out! I am trying to get a reservation for a holiday home from thursday the 1st of May till sunday the 4th, and it's proofing to be rather difficult!

As I don't trust the Ardennes weather in the beginning of May too much, I'd rather stay in a house, but I might have to camp after all!

Gingers4Justice · 21 Oct 2013, 12:07 (Ref:3320978)

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Originally Posted by GT6

As I recall the brussels ring as a bit like the m25 on friday evening, best avoided

....it's within Radio 4 range though, if you do get stuck.

kurski · 23 Oct 2013, 14:20 (Ref:3322134)

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