ELMS ELMS 2015 Discussion - Page 15

GT6 · 13 Apr 2015, 07:07 (Ref:3526899)

really enjoyed the elms race on Saturday, a brilliant finish and a reasonable crowd there to, fantastic day

**bella** · 13 Apr 2015, 11:35 (Ref:3526984)

possibly a controversial opinion but is it just me that thinks that the elms races are the sweet spot for non-12 and 24 hour races?

on a stat note, interesting to see that it appears hirsch had lancaster covered on race pace. he's still silver, isn't he?

Mike E · 13 Apr 2015, 11:44 (Ref:3526987)

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Originally Posted by bella

possibly a controversial opinion but is it just me that thinks that the elms races are the sweet spot for non-12 and 24 hour races?

on a stat note, interesting to see that it appears hirsch had lancaster covered on race pace. he's still silver, isn't he?

Yes, still a silver.

Simmi · 13 Apr 2015, 11:50 (Ref:3526989)

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Originally Posted by bella

on a stat note, interesting to see that it appears hirsch had lancaster covered on race pace. he's still silver, isn't he?

He'll only be one for another 9 months if he keeps this up. Really, really impressed by his pace on Saturday.

Might as well add my name to the list of people lauding the ELMS race. I absolutely loved it. The LMP3s were a real pleasant surprise too.

**bella** · 13 Apr 2015, 11:58 (Ref:3526992)

i think he was in a good team last year - klien is obviously absolute class, and ragues is himself the textbook silver. aside from that little meltdown at the red bull ring hirsch didn't exactly make a fool of himself on pace. good to see the series nurturing more than just the jota and signatech alpine lmp2 talents.

elms really is a gem of a series - the calendar is second to none. some truly fantastic circuits both from a driver and a spectator point of view. even the exception to the spectator viewpoint (silverstone, obviously) has the benefit of being part of a cracking weekend of sprint and endurance racing.

Mike E · 13 Apr 2015, 13:17 (Ref:3527030)

When Tincknell was announced as Yelloly's replacement it looked like Jota would be very tough to beat, and they will be, but Greaves have strong, consistent pace across all three drivers. Very promising for the season.

J Jay · 13 Apr 2015, 13:33 (Ref:3527044)

Hirsch showed remarkable consistency to go along with the pace for his stint. I will admit to having to remind myself that he was still a silver driver.

As for the race length I still find 3 hour races races easier to digest both during and afterwards but the knock-on effect on driver times gives the four hour races that much more intrigue.

cmk · 13 Apr 2015, 17:57 (Ref:3527142)

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Originally Posted by bella

on a stat note, interesting to see that it appears hirsch had lancaster covered on race pace. he's still silver, isn't he?

Looks to me like Hirsch and Lancaster were comparable and Wirdheim was the one who was a little off? Hirsch is impressive for sure - I think the benefits of starting young as a "gentleman" driver are clear in the current ELMS crop. Hirsch and Thiriet are both great examples, and the whole TDS trio are very evenly matched.

Tough to read too much into cars lower down the order, but I thought the SMP stats were interesting too. Markozov was very impressive relative to his experienced teammates, and Ladygin shaded Aleshin.

ger80 · 14 Apr 2015, 07:39 (Ref:3527294)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

Those new Gibsons are really fast.

Who would have thought that in 2002 when Reynard presented the first incantation. ..

old man · 14 Apr 2015, 09:33 (Ref:3527317)

BTCC regulars showed well in GTE, be interesting in WSR garage this coming weekend. That wave by stopped a good fight to the flag between the Gulf and JMW cars

Deleted · 15 Apr 2015, 00:32 (Ref:3527533)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

https://twitter.com/marceltencaat/st...49483994439680

No penalty. Boo.

Boo yes, but still less of a lame decision than the track abuse shortcutting nonsese in the WEC race. Anyway as I said on the another thread, very good race overall. And no, that doesn't mean that I still wouldn't want to have P1 privateer on top and proper pro classes again to make it less of a second division series, but for what it was, it was entertaining one 4 hours.

The series will have to boost up the LMPs - and well certainly P3 even if it's in baby stages - as it's too close. Top speeds from the weekend:

LMP2 - 262,1 km/h (but the only car up there, second fastest in the 257s)
LMGTE (bopped up) - 254,1 km/h
LMP3 - 251,7 km/h
GT3 (bopped down) -249,4 km/h

TheMightyM · 15 Apr 2015, 01:39 (Ref:3527550)

It seems that the post-race press conference was rather, er, “tense”: http://www.racer.com/videos/item/115...ess-conference

Deleted · 15 Apr 2015, 01:49 (Ref:3527552)

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Originally Posted by TheMightyM

It seems that the post-race press conference was rather, er, “tense”: http://www.racer.com/videos/item/115...ess-conference

rich07 · 15 Apr 2015, 05:24 (Ref:3527566)

It wasn't as tense as DSC made it it to be but was still interesting to watch. Simon Dolans comments on P2 future and the ensuing comment from the MC were pretty funny

Deleted · 6 May 2015, 16:57 (Ref:3534815)

30x entry for Imola
http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/...515_5487f6.pdf

In:
#5 Villorba Corse LMP3

Out:
#81 AF Corse GTE (Italians backing out of only Italian race)
#85 Gulf GT3

Also the new SMP coupes will be run under SMP banner, not AF like at Silverstone, so looks like they've solved the branding & Russian sanctions issue they had with Dunlop.

There looks be NOTHING on support package, not even some of the FFSA series like in previous years, making it one of the poorest LMS weekends ever in terms of on track time
http://europeanlemansseries.com/asse...415_fd0932.pdf

Who's gonna go see that? They used to had great packages with CER and Radicals and local series and others, plus obviously ILMC when it came along. And even in 2013 when WSBR was headlining most of the weekends there was something going on.

Not helped by Nurburgring 24 hour conflict again!

**bella** · 6 May 2015, 17:27 (Ref:3534830)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

There looks be NOTHING on support package, not even some of the FFSA series like in previous years, making it one of the poorest LMS weekends ever in terms of on track time
http://europeanlemansseries.com/asse...415_fd0932.pdf

Who's gonna go see that? They used to had great packages with CER and Radicals and local series and others, plus obviously ILMC when it came along. And even in 2013 when WSBR was headlining most of the weekends there was something going on.

Not helped by Nurburgring 24 hour conflict again!

the simple answer is they don't *need* people to go and see it. they don't hang their hats on attendance figures like other series do. elms actually works pretty well as a standalone event, it flows well and there's time to get some lunch, have a stroll around, and not miss any track action.

in terms of hours of track action, you get 5 hours of elms on race day, 4 of that is race time. you struggle to get 4 hours of total race time at many meetings. thinking about wsr at motorland the other weekend, on sunday there was less than 90 minutes of racing. on saturday there was just over 90 minutes in a total of 3 races.

Deleted · 6 May 2015, 17:41 (Ref:3534840)

Yes, I think I have made it quite clear in my posts as well that ELMS isn't exactly a crowd magnet nor is the format designed for anyone other than the customers they are involved with, however not wanting to create any buzz on purpose doesn't make any sense either. And even forgetting the spectators, if they had another group there like the GT Tour and whatnot sharing the track, they wouldn't have to rent the circuit on their own but rather share bills. It makes business sense.

It's also strange how none of the local Italian series are interested in running in co-op.

Deleted · 6 May 2015, 19:58 (Ref:3534887)

Now, this has really nothing to do with anything current in the world of ELMS, but I was browsing through the "Grand Prix of Indianapolis" thread and their second event on that roval before the 500 later this month. And thought to myself, why didn't the ACO ever renew the LM Bugatti race after the experimental 2003 1000km event? I'm not saying that Bugatti configuration is the greatest of tracks in the world, it's you know just 'alright', but being a track directly at the heart of ACO-land it could have been a more frequent place for LMS event to take place? If they have had date close ish to the actual 24 hours (/Test day) surely that could've also served as cheap 6th event on calendar. Maybe even as some sort of qualifier. And you'd have plenty of French support series around.

Just throwing out thoughts/ideas.

Atm the only time Bugatti is used by ACO cars (not bikes) is when couple of at-site LM24 teams make some brief shakedown laps there between Test day and race week scrutineering.

Damian Baldi · 7 May 2015, 02:04 (Ref:3534996)

I can't wait to see the new BR-01 at Imola against the Oreca 05 and Ligier-Judd.

pablocomics · 13 May 2015, 08:48 (Ref:3536987)

Graff Racing is gonna buy the first LMP3 from Ligier. Now United Autosport has been anounced that they also are going to start a LMP3 program http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118944

IMO the GTC class will be discontinued after this year because it won't be needed anymore...

Deleted · 13 May 2015, 17:35 (Ref:3537165)

It was never really needed other than to make grid look bigger. They didn't even want GT3 cars before the grid shrunk so terrible that they had to let them in.

Anyway wish they had opted for something else than Ginetta again, but regardless it's even more good news for LMP3.

Coach Ep · 13 May 2015, 17:43 (Ref:3537171)

Agreed.

With approx. 10 x P2, 10 x P3 and 10 x GTE the series don't need grid fillers, GT3s have so many series to run already (and still expanding), it's almost scary!

Good to see new teams climbing the prototype ladder, interesting that the press release also mentioned TUSC as possible series that UA might participate in in the future - are they anticipating TUSC adopting P3 class or are they already thinking about upgrading to P2 (since P3's are not included in the LM24 race)?

Also noticed no Algarve Pro on the Imola entry list, what's going on with that team? You would think they bought TDS' Ligier to go racing but so far not so much...

pablocomics · 13 May 2015, 18:19 (Ref:3537177)

No Algarve pro Racing and no Rollcentre, both got removed from the ELMS lists (and no LAS lmp3 news).

It seems that the Algarve Pro Team was making some test the past May 7th at Jerez circuit

airbusA346 · 13 May 2015, 19:15 (Ref:3537191)

Different driver line-up in the #88 Proton Porsche for Imola (compared to Silverstone).

Christian Reid, Richard Lietz and Marco Mapelli

Wonder if they are using one of their WEC chassis's seen as they sold the car they used at Silverstone back to Prospeed/AAI.

Ospi · 13 May 2015, 19:52 (Ref:3537212)

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Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

I can't wait to see the new BR-01 at Imola against the Oreca 05 and Ligier-Judd.

Sadly they're already at a disadvantage by running Michelin so I doubt they'll trouble the front runners but hope to stand corrected. Also the algarve test looked like a training day for guys with money more than anything else.

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