V8ST - 2014/15

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by GT 86

Can anyone enlighten me if this fantastic new shock upgrade will be ready for the opening round?

Why the cynicism GT?

V8ST's technical department voted to delay the introduction of the revised KW Damper, until the 1st January next.

The revised Dampers will be tested on the 29th August next at Hampton Downs under the direction of V8ST technical committee.

Once the new bump valve package has been signed off by V8ST, KW will then manufacture all of the parts required to effect the change and deliver the same to Autoquip Marketing by the end of October, well in time to commence the change to in excess of 150 V8ST dampers and deliver all the sealed dampers back to their respective teams before the end of January next.

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

Why the cynicism GT?
..
Once the new bump valve package has been signed off by V8ST, KW will then manufacture all of the parts required to effect the change and deliver the same to Autoquip Marketing by the end of October, well in time to commence the change to in excess of 150 V8ST dampers and deliver all the sealed dampers back to their respective teams before the end of January next.

Why 3 months to install and deliver ?
It is only a bump valve isn't it ?

[JamesK]

Mark
I would have also thought testing these at Pukekohe would have been a better option than Hampton.
As you indicated "and were the inconsistency in there performance smashing over Pukekohe's notorious curb's actually lies."
I would assume Hampton would not give you the same results at Pukekohe.

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by JamesK

Why 3 months to install and deliver ?
It is only a bump valve isn't it ?

The delay in introducing the revised Dampers has nothing to do with either KW or Autoquip, quite rightly V8ST want the revised dampers tested because their is also a substantial difference in the performance capabilities of the new shim pack style bump valve which will be best observed at Hampton Downs with two very experienced drivers.

Smashing over the kerbs at Pukekohe can not effect the new shim pack style bump valve in the same manner as it can using a small helical spring to do the same job, as shim stacks are inherently more robust, but lack the much wider range of adjustment that you can achieve with a Helical spring closure mechanism, which is why we need to test the new bump curve to ensure that we can achieve the most suitable compression damping.

We may have to change the shim stack to go stiffer or softer on the knee depending on the feedback we get from the drivers, and we can do this quite quickly trackside, if need be.

Once V8ST have signed off on the revised Damper valving, KW will them have to build in excess of 150 sets of identical valve's, and supply the same to Autoquip. Given that each Damper will take at least 90 minutes to rebuild, dyno test, seal and document etc, there is at least 200 man hours to complete all the Teams dampers.

We Autoquip, had no control of the timing of V8ST's review and decision making with regard to the possible change in their control Damper supplier.

We made our own submissions several months, with regard to the change to the Bump valve before V8ST called for a Formal tender, end of story.

[GT 86]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

The delay in introducing the revised Dampers has nothing to do with either KW or Autoquip, quite rightly V8ST want the revised dampers tested because their is also a substantial difference in the performance capabilities of the new shim pack style bump valve which will be best observed at Hampton Downs with two very experienced drivers.

Smashing over the kerbs at Pukekohe can not effect the new shim pack style bump valve in the same manner as it can using a small helical spring to do the same job, as shim stacks are inherently more robust, but lack the much wider range of adjustment that you can achieve with a Helical spring closure mechanism, which is why we need to test the new bump curve to ensure that we can achieve the most suitable compression damping.

We may have to change the shim stack to go stiffer or softer on the knee depending on the feedback we get from the drivers, and we can do this quite quickly trackside, if need be.

Once V8ST have signed off on the revised Damper valving, KW will them have to build in excess of 150 sets of identical valve's, and supply the same to Autoquip. Given that each Damper will take at least 90 minutes to rebuild, dyno test, seal and document etc, there is at least 200 man hours to complete all the Teams dampers.

We Autoquip, had no control of the timing of V8ST's review and decision making with regard to the possible change in their control Damper supplier.

We made our own submissions several months, with regard to the change to the Bump valve before V8ST called for a Formal tender, end of story.

What a load of rubbish. So us grease monkeys have to go through the same costly and timely procedures for the next three rounds until next year. I dont see you hanging around Mark and helping out till ten oclock at night checking shocks. Shame on you V8ST for mucking everyone around and shame on you Mark for supplying a sub standard shock to a professional category. It sounds like neither of you have any confidence in this part. You tell us the Pukekohe circut was mainly responsible for the shortfall in the shock so you goto HD to test it to ensure your'e in the window or is this to ensure it actually works? Whos paying for this update from you Mark and whos paying for the 6 hours per set of shocks and whats the cost of the unknown here compared to a new set of shocks, potentially from a reputable manufacturer?

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by GT 86

What a load of rubbish. So us grease monkeys have to go through the same costly and timely procedures for the next three rounds until next year. I dont see you hanging around Mark and helping out till ten oclock at night checking shocks. Shame on you V8ST for mucking everyone around and shame on you Mark for supplying a sub standard shock to a professional category. It sounds like neither of you have any confidence in this part. You tell us the Pukekohe circut was mainly responsible for the shortfall in the shock so you goto HD to test it to ensure your'e in the window or is this to ensure it actually works? Whos paying for this update from you Mark and whos paying for the 6 hours per set of shocks and whats the cost of the unknown here compared to a new set of shocks, potentially from a reputable manufacturer?

Very dissapointed with your attitude GT, I gave you a straight honest answer yet you "dump on me" and then in the same post you rubbish KW, one of the most succesfull Damper manufactures in the world and one of only two Damper manufacture's with a full 7 post F1 chassis dyno, the other being Ohlins.

[GT 86]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

Very dissapointed with your attitude GT, I gave you a straight honest answer yet you "dump on me" and then in the same post you rubbish KW, one of the most succesfull Damper manufactures in the world and one of only two Damper manufacture's with a full 7 post F1 chassis dyno, the other being Ohlins.

Attitude.............Save it! Like I said we are sick of spending friday and saturday nights at the track making sure these things dont fail not to mention everytime we have an balance issue in the car we are questioning shocks. We have better things to spend our time on than shocks.

If they are the most succesfull damper manufacturer then you have failed here miseralbly. Two seasons later you admit there is a problem but still we wont see it until the start of another season. You are very lucky a majority didnt want to spend another 5-6k on another shock because they certainly didnt vote for the service and integrity of the current unit. You still havent answered the question, who's paying for this upgrade and the fitting of it and if you blame pukekohe for your problems why not go there to fix them?

[Concerned Racer]

Originally Posted by GT 86

Attitude.............Save it! Like I said we are sick of spending friday and saturday nights at the track making sure these things dont fail not to mention everytime we have an balance issue in the car we are questioning shocks. We have better things to spend our time on than shocks.

If they are the most succesfull damper manufacturer then you have failed here miseralbly. Two seasons later you admit there is a problem but still we wont see it until the start of another season. You are very lucky a majority didnt want to spend another 5-6k on another shock because they certainly didnt vote for the service and integrity of the current unit. You still havent answered the question, who's paying for this upgrade and the fitting of it and if you blame pukekohe for your problems why not go there to fix them?

You must be from M3??
I think you need to 'Save it' GT. Mark is pushing **** up hill trying to have a reasoned discussion with you.

[Woolley]

OK, enough. This has become trolling, pure and simple.

This is a discussion forum and not a place to pursue individual grievances. If there is a genuine problem then there will be ways and means to seek redress and those involved should follow due process. Slinging accusations on here, regardless of whether there is any merit to them is bordering on libel.

[The Realist]

It is now time for unity within the Supertourer community, and concentrate on putting on a successful weekend of racing at Taupo next month. Lots of cars, spectators, and exciting racing for all. That is your task at hand.

[20b]

International Motorsport have listed one of their cars on TradeMe this morning. They listed the spare one there a while back, but it appears the one that is listed is their last season car.

Does this all but confirm Ant's exit from V8 SuperTourers? I get the feeling the 18 cars that were expected for round one is more likely going to be around 14.

[GHOGH]

How many fast modern Porsche cars are there in NZ that are race ready that can do a good 1.40 or better Taupo lap time ?
Could put a few on the back of the grid for a concurrent Porsche Taupo Cup to run the same endurance race with the Sts and get a few Aussie Porsche drivers as co drivers.
Make it worthwhile for the TV cameras to be there.

[MacrosNZ]

Originally Posted by 20b

Does this all but confirm Ant's exit from V8 SuperTourers?

Doesn't look like his Burgerfuel car to me.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=771862314

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by GHOGH

How many fast modern Porsche cars are there in NZ that are race ready that can do a good 1.40 or better Taupo lap time ?
Could put a few on the back of the grid for a concurrent Porsche Taupo Cup to run the same endurance race with the Sts and get a few Aussie Porsche drivers as co drivers.
Make it worthwhile for the TV cameras to be there.

Maybe there may only be 14-15 V8ST's on the grid at Taupo, but its still going to be a very classy field, and the support races are at record levels so it will be a great meeting for the real motor racing fans regardless of V8ST's continuing to have to battle to get all its Teams on the grid.

As far as being worthwhile for the TV cameras to be there, financially TV3 take no risk whatsoever, its a straight user pay's deal, and V8ST and its committed support class's have to pay for the Camera's, the OB truck and all the rest of the cost's involved.

Unless the weather is shite it will be a great weekends racing and I wouldn't miss it for quids.

[Goat Boy]

Hopefully I will be there

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by MacrosNZ

Doesn't look like his Burgerfuel car to me.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=771862314

They say in the add that the car is the current holder of the endurance cup,
so does that make it last years car?
I dont remember the results from last year but I'm sure someone here will.

[20b]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

They say in the add that the car is the current holder of the endurance cup,
so does that make it last years car?
I dont remember the results from last year but I'm sure someone here will.

Pedersen and Chaz Mostert are the holders, so in theory it should be the current car, unless they chose to swap it with the spare earlier in the year.

There have been suggestions that Pedersen wont be returning for the endurance series as he'll be looking to focus attention (mostly funds) on the Super Black Racing gig, which is perhaps why his car is up for grabs.

[Blackpearl]

Originally Posted by 20b

International Motorsport have listed one of their cars on TradeMe this morning. They listed the spare one there a while back, but it appears the one that is listed is their last season car.

Does this all but confirm Ant's exit from V8 SuperTourers? I get the feeling the 18 cars that were expected for round one is more likely going to be around 14.

I can only say yes, steve horne has sold up so no tasman. cars parked etc

[NZSTfan]

Originally Posted by MacrosNZ

Doesn't look like his Burgerfuel car to me.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=771862314

Has Kenny Smith decided on his teams car yet? Could be a good dealio....

[Biggy G]

Didn't IMS switch cars last season? Went from their regular to the one that had been their spare? So the car for sale is likely that one, whilst the burgerfuel car is the one that had been on the sidelines but recently bought in to service.

A shame it seems like there are no new cars/teams for Round 1, but a few dropping out.

[promax]

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Has Kenny Smith decided on his teams car yet? Could be a good dealio....

agree! waste of a car just sitting there.

[NZSTfan]

So, Simon Evans with SVG for all 3 enduros. ...could be a formidable pairing methinks. Also in the press release it did mention that beating murph and Ant is their goal (naturally) so does that mean that Ant is in for this season? Funny that SVG will be the co driver and not the main.
Great news for Smeg racing and can't wait for the other announcements to be made...

[NZSTfan]

Does anyone actually know if Ant is in for the enduros?

[pukekoheracer]

Looking forward to seeing who Murphy slots in beside him

[pukekoheracer]

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

So, Simon Evans with SVG for all 3 enduros. ...could be a formidable pairing methinks. Also in the press release it did mention that beating murph and Ant is their goal (naturally) so does that mean that Ant is in for this season? Funny that SVG will be the co driver and not the main.
Great news for Smeg racing and can't wait for the other announcements to be made...

http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/08/27/...ourer-enduros/