Parity Review Has Been Called - Page 15

Mixer · 4 Oct 2023, 14:02 (Ref:4179629)

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Originally Posted by Senna05

At Sandown, after some electronic adjustments after the Friday results (shift cuts) they were - for short distances.

yeah I guess it was only a short distance before the Grove car took out Waters, all the Tickford cars went grass cutting and both WAU cars got in to strife.

Your use of "parity" belies your bias - you just want Ford to win regardless of talent, skill, application or luck.

It's not tiddlywinks, it's racing, and parity means and equal technical chance of winning.

Right now even with an equal technical chance, DJR, Tickford and half of Grove and WAU are not up to the task.

**GTRMagic** · 4 Oct 2023, 14:27 (Ref:4179635)

Story Here

BRT Mustang to USA for transient dyno and wind tunnel testing straight after Adelaide
Chev for selecting tbc

Ares · 4 Oct 2023, 19:07 (Ref:4179666)

Parity based on race results is not clear enough. Supercars will have all the data from the weekend of Sandown. This is the only indicator. Even this is not an absolute. This is where it all goes down a rabbit hole.

This logic would be, if all the top Camaros crash out this weekend, and its a Ford podium. there will have to be a parity adjustment back the other way for the next round. That's the precedent being set, like it or not.

bluesport · 4 Oct 2023, 23:32 (Ref:4179687)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

You are so full of crap.

You should apologise for that comment, you're a disgrace!!!

**GTRMagic** · 4 Oct 2023, 23:58 (Ref:4179691)

It’s done..

bluesport · 5 Oct 2023, 00:07 (Ref:4179692)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

It’s done..

So there's no point in watching the race.

Mixer · 5 Oct 2023, 00:14 (Ref:4179693)

Given that D2N did all the original CFD data for both cars, how it is that Ford has suddenty got data from them that shows a disparity?

Seems like a consultancy report that shows neatly what the person paying the bills is looking for, rather than a pure fact.

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Originally Posted by bluesport

So there's no point in watching the race.

It's not an airport, no need to announce your departure.

bluesport · 5 Oct 2023, 00:21 (Ref:4179696)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mixer

Given that D2N did all the original CFD data for both cars, how it is that Ford has suddenty got data from them that shows a disparity?

Seems like a consultancy report that shows neatly what the person paying the bills is looking for, rather than a pure fact.

It's not an airport, no need to announce your departure.

It's the truth, the ford teams have rolled over again.

At least a commodore won't win.......ever again.

Compromised · 5 Oct 2023, 00:32 (Ref:4179699)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Given that D2N did all the original CFD data for both cars, how it is that Ford has suddenty got data from them that shows a disparity?

CFD is only as accurate as the data you feed it - sending cars down a runway, surprisingly, isn't really great data.

Data accumulated through the season at various tracks, is great data.

TWRv12 · 5 Oct 2023, 00:35 (Ref:4179701)

What a **** show, why have they let it go so far? They can't screw up the race?

bluesport · 5 Oct 2023, 01:13 (Ref:4179704)

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Originally Posted by TWRv12

What a **** show, why have they let it go so far? They can't screw up the race?

Lol, they already have by the look of things.

**GTRMagic** · 5 Oct 2023, 01:33 (Ref:4179708)

Perhaps instead of installing Ford’s new bodywork overnight, the Ford mobs could fit a Chev Gen3 skin to their chassis, take on a new engine from KRE amd see what that does…

Compromised · 5 Oct 2023, 03:05 (Ref:4179719)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Perhaps instead of installing Ford’s new bodywork overnight, the Ford mobs could fit a Chev Gen3 skin to their chassis, take on a new engine from KRE amd see what that does…

You may be joking, but this is the only solution. The archaic desire to have manufacturers race each other is hurting Supercars more than helping.

For a series that does so many things right, it's frustrating for such an easily fixable problem to cause this much heartache.

Race ONE body.

Race ONE engine.

Then sit back and enjoy one of the best racing series in the world, without the needless drama

Mixer · 5 Oct 2023, 03:08 (Ref:4179720)

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Originally Posted by TWRv12

What a **** show, why have they let it go so far? They can't screw up the race?

They reviewed parity after Darwin, gave Ford changes before The Bend, and Ford just about swept the ENTIRE weekend.

Then everybody showed up at Sandown, there were more Fords in the shootout than Chevs, then enduro luck struck and heaps of the fast Fords were taken out of the race.

The race results had ZERO to do with parity. Ford just having tantrums now to make excuses for their lack of results.

HOW is it possible people cannot see this?

Ford has had every change they've asked for so far and they were HAPPY after The Bend.

They had a **** weekend at Sandown but that is enduro racing. Parity trigger is not met after The Bend or Sandown. Take the new door panels and play on.

V8 Fireworks · 5 Oct 2023, 03:50 (Ref:4179721)

Official Statement from Ford Motor Company

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...We are therefore deeply disappointed by the ongoing lack of technical parity in the Supercars Championship, which has left Ford and its teams at a significant disadvantage throughout the 2023 season. This lack of technical parity has had a tangible impact on the performance of our teams and drivers.']

Ford has long been requesting data transparency to assist in understanding the disparity that exists between the two cars. Unfortunately, this has been rejected on multiple occasions.

The latest parity review was initiated when Supercars computational fluid dynamics (CFD) partner D2H Group provided aerodynamic data of both cars to the homologation teams on August 24. This data clearly demonstrated that aerodynamic parity had not been achieved.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/10/05...ves-disparity/

If the Australian Touring Car Championship does not take this seriously, they have rocks in their head.

The impartially of D2H Group is definitely severely under question, given they have been previously engaged by 888 Race Engineering as their aerodynamics consultant.

Applying the changes for Adelaide is really too little, too late.

V8 Fireworks · 5 Oct 2023, 03:52 (Ref:4179722)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

The race results had ZERO to do with parity.

This is inconsistent with Ford Performance's analysis of D2H Group's data and therefore, likely, an analysis which is incorrect in the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Seems like a consultancy report that shows neatly what the person paying the bills is looking for, rather than a pure fact.

That is exactly a major issue: D2H Group were 888 Race Engineering's employed CFD consultant since 2018 and their impartiality -- in terms of how they interpreted their data -- as series consultant is under question.

How did D2H reach the decision the S650 rear wing should be lowered and S650 front winglets removed, when compared to the S550 or Camaro, despite the data showing the S650 at a disadvantage?!

HDTVKSS · 5 Oct 2023, 04:18 (Ref:4179726)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

This is inconsistent with Ford Performance's analysis of D2H Group's data and therefore, likely, an analysis which is incorrect in the extreme.

did they CFD a wheel falling off and hitting another car followed by the WAU cars running off the road and tearing the diffusers off?

Has Estre seen this data? if so sure wasnt driving like it....

Mixer · 5 Oct 2023, 04:31 (Ref:4179729)

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Originally Posted by HDTVKSS

did they CFD a wheel falling off and hitting another car followed by the WAU cars running off the road and tearing the diffusers off?

Has Estre seen this data? if so sure wasnt driving like it....

You forgot Tickford codrivers all running off track and DJR crashing the Castrol car out of the race.

bluesport · 5 Oct 2023, 05:01 (Ref:4179731)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

You forgot Tickford codrivers all running off track and DJR crashing the Castrol car out of the race.

That's what happens with a lack of downforce.

kittle · 5 Oct 2023, 06:20 (Ref:4179735)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

They reviewed parity after Darwin, gave Ford changes before The Bend, and Ford just about swept the ENTIRE weekend.

Then everybody showed up at Sandown, there were more Fords in the shootout than Chevs, then enduro luck struck and heaps of the fast Fords were taken out of the race.

The race results had ZERO to do with parity. Ford just having tantrums now to make excuses for their lack of results.

HOW is it possible people cannot see this?

Ford has had every change they've asked for so far and they were HAPPY after The Bend.

They had a **** weekend at Sandown but that is enduro racing. Parity trigger is not met after The Bend or Sandown. Take the new door panels and play on.

At The Bend, Ford get a couple of cars in the top ten for the first time all year and straight away you say they have swept the weekend. 2 races out of 22. What about all the other races that Chev have domintaed the top ten? Did you forget about them??

How you can't see there is a parity issue is beyond beleif.

For the whole year Ford has been disadvantaged by the whole system and Supercars has failed to make satisfactory changes. The Chev teams voted NO in this case. But why have the teams been given this much power to make this dicission.

Tourer · 5 Oct 2023, 06:34 (Ref:4179736)

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Originally Posted by kittle

But why have the teams been given this much power to make this dicission.

Because the rule book doesn't allow this requested change as the parity trigger hasn't occurred. So only option to make the change is if all teams agree to it as it is outside the rules.

kittle · 5 Oct 2023, 06:41 (Ref:4179739)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

**** off.

Ford have asked for 4 different things and got them all. Every time they blame something new and none of the Ford teams take responsibility for their own deficiencies. The changes through the year. Have born results yet you want more changes when Sandown had nothing to do with car performance.

It is quite obvious Ford fans are just sooks and should just go watch a one make Ford race, you don't care how good a driver or team performs, you want them to win anyway.

Haha just another typical Holden/Chev fan right there.

When your winning, you don't want a single change. But when your loosing you want changes made straight away.

Same thing in 2019, if the Holden teams had good enough drivers they wouldn't have sooked so much to have changes made. It goes both ways.

**GTRMagic** · 5 Oct 2023, 07:26 (Ref:4179743)

Kai Allen seemed to extract something from his Mustang in P2 that no other Ford pilot’s could..

bluesport · 5 Oct 2023, 08:24 (Ref:4179747)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Kai Allen seemed to extract something from his Mustang in P2 that no other Ford pilot’s could..

Yeah, that was a surprise, some good young talent coming through.

bluesport · 5 Oct 2023, 08:58 (Ref:4179754)

One step closer.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-o...-v8-supercars/

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