V8Supercar - Car Of The Future (Merged x4)

[peckstar]

Lexus in talks with V8 Supercars

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Lexus in talks with V8 Supercars

holden won't like this news. They got rid of the Nissans. I wonder what they've got in their bag of tricks to scuttle Toyota's involvement.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

holden won't like this news. They got rid of the Nissans. I wonder what they've got in their bag of tricks to scuttle Toyota's involvement.

Why would they care? the cars will be 100% identicle by then. Toyota, lexus, hot wheels, all the bloody same......

I'm not sure how old you are, but i thought you'd be a little more intelligent to remember that it was a specific cars dominance that they didn't like.
Or are you assuming there going to be racing the R35 against our cars?

[bluesport]

You're on my ignore list stealthy.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

You're on my ignore list stealthy.

I figured as much. It was a rhitorical question anyways, I already knew what your asnwer was (I was actually hoping I was wrong, I never thought anyone would be delusional enough to think that they'd actually be racing lexus' off the showroom floor)

[mildura1963]

I am assuming the Lexus will be a different beast to those raced in the Japanese Championship!!!

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by mildura1963

I am assuming the Lexus will be a different beast to those raced in the Japanese Championship!!!

You know what COTF is right? A kit car.....Almost nascar, except our 'badges' wont be painted on with stickers....

[mildura1963]

same with DTM & Jap Tourers as well then. I was just wondering how you could change a DTM type car to a V8SC.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by mildura1963

same with DTM & Jap Tourers as well then. I was just wondering how you could change a DTM type car to a V8SC.

Well most things are going to be controlled. Its basically Aussie Racing cars but at full scale (only difference is the body panels)

[david5]

The racings better in ARC though.

[GTRMagic]

COTF Test Delayed

Seems that this new car will be like a Sports Sedan more than a V8Supercar

[GTRMagic]

Fly by wire throttle control... Here

Originally Posted by The Article

Pedal Box Mon 13 December 2010

Triple Eight Race Engineering won the tender to produce the pedal box for COTF.

Manufacturer has began on two complete pedal boxes for the prototypes and ultimately 50 will be built in the final production process.

The components use billet aluminium 7075-T6 which is aircraft grade material and all components are CNC machined.

While the pedal box is a complete redesign over the current cars the Alcon master cylinders and balance bars are carry-overs.

As Triple Eight is producing such large quantities, machining time savings and the size of the raw materials translate to cost savings that is passed onto the teams with the price of the COTF pedal box a lot less than the current spec arrangements.

One of the major differences with the COTF pedal assembly is that it will use fly-by-wire throttle control, making the use of mechanical linkages between the throttle and the engine obsolete.

A sensor on the pedal and an electronic drive on the engine will replace mechanical links.

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

COTF Test Delayed

Seems that this new car will be like a Sports Sedan more than a V8Supercar

Over recent years the V8SC cars have been closer to a Sports Sedan than they were t a Touring Car, so it is just another step in the same direction. Another KitKar series.
Makes the award of the ATCC to the winner of the V8 series even more irrelevant.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

Over recent years the V8SC cars have been closer to a Sports Sedan than they were t a Touring Car, so it is just another step in the same direction. Another KitKar series.
Makes the award of the ATCC to the winner of the V8 series even more irrelevant.

I dont recall too much discussion about running transaxles in the COTF model.

That alone moves the car specification well away from 'sedan' based competition..

[peckstar]

just like a Mercedes Benz SLS.... interesting

and also a lexus...mmmm more interesting

[Chris - Melb]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I dont recall too much discussion about running transaxles in the COTF model.

That alone moves the car specification well away from 'sedan' based competition..

I can't imagine Ford or Holden being impressed.

[William Dale Jr]

Spaceframe with body panels attached......check.
Polycarbonate windows...........................check.
Visual resemblance to road car.................check.
Big wings and splitters.............................check.
Small-block V8 engine.............................check.
Transaxle.............................................check.


Lucky I love sports sedans

[dsg]

I like the sound of these new specs. Have always preferred sports sedans to production cars, but don't really care what they call them. These things haven't been what I consider to be touring cars for 30+ years.

[GTRMagic]

COTF Introduction Delayed Til 2013

Makes more sense from a parity perspective, all 'cew' COTF cars starting together, the learning curve can be the same for all..

It will also give the category & the teams 2 full seasons to sort the final specs, gain team consensus, get the cars out there...

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

COTF Introduction Delayed Til 2013

Makes more sense from a parity perspective, all 'cew' COTF cars starting together, the learning curve can be the same for all..

It will also give the category & the teams 2 full seasons to sort the final specs, gain team consensus, get the cars out there...

Or did single Car owners and the rest work out, that they would be left holding old frames , and will they be passed onto the development series, knowing they will be redundant within the next two years?

Bisuness decison by 75% owners of International V8 Supercars.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by fomoco

Or did single Car owners and the rest work out, that they would be left holding old frames , and will they be passed onto the development series, knowing they will be redundant within the next two years?

Bisuness decison by 75% owners of International V8 Supercars.

As of 1/1/2013, the current V8Supercars as they stand, will only be eligible for the Fujitsu series.

Some current REC holders have several chassis in their garages, and the tear up here could be significant. For example, Mr Rogers' team has 5 VE chassis in their shed, apparently a new one coming this year, so that's 6 cars @ $200k a pop that will be ineligible to play in the big game in 2013

That so many chassis will become available at one time will mean a glut unable to be satisfied by buyers, such that the $200k price may fall significantly.

The plan for COTF originally was that the powerplant could be reused in the COFT chassis, so it isnt a total tear up, but just like the Group C to Group A conversion, or the Group A to V8Supercar, it will not be an inexpensive changeover...

No different to switching from VZ to VE or BF to FG however

[peckstar]

do you think the teams were consulted on this GTR? Im going with yes.

they will have know this is happening for 3 years by the time it has happened.

plus you say 200k like its big money for a v8 team. Its not much more than Cam and skaife got for the enduro drives.

If gary is caught with 6 cars in the garage, he is a bad businessmen

This in theory will be good for the fujitsu series, lots of quality cars on the market at a fair price

[rik]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Rogers' team has 5 VE chassis in their shed, apparently a new one coming this year

Why would GRM hang onto 6 cars? No buyers? Or maybe they some of them aren't even close to useable, therefore not worth $200k? Or perhaps not worth selling?

[Marcos WTF]

So who got the contract to print the fake head/tail light stickers?
CompletelyOffTheF***ing planet is a bad joke.

[Oreti kid]

OK it seem like both sides of the ditch have agreed on a single supplier(Constructor) and NZ's one will be rolling on track March 2011.

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With the imminent arrival of the ‘Car of Tomorrow’ (COT) the door now opens for exciting and plentiful opportunities for the future of NZV8s in New Zealand.



The COT is the future of the leading class in New Zealand and heralds a new and exciting beginning of another super V8 era in local motorsport history.


The COT concept was right from the start to have identical and affordable chassis for all competitors that look the same as the Australian V8 Supercars. The NZV8 COT and the Australian V8 Supercars ‘Car of the Future’ (COF), are both being built in the same workshop.


While cars on both sides of the Tasman will look the same, there are major differences under the skin, in both the chassis, and in the form of engine, brakes, suspension and transmission. What will take place in NZ is in the final stages of development with the prospect of full racing with a minimum of sixteen teams next season.


Most important to the commitment of this future direction is the agreement of current teams to the project and it is reported that twelve teams have invested in the COT project. It is anticipated that a number of other teams will commit once the prototype is on track in NZ early next year.


The prototype chassis will arrive in New Zealand at the end of January and will be completed here in New Zealand prior to its debut at the Taupo round of the BNT V8s in early March 2011.


One could argue that NZV8s in their current form looks decidedly aged, and they would be correct. While the Ford Falcon, based on an AU Falcon shell,has been a able to update its body panels to look similar to the BF model, the Holden Commodore is even older being based on the VT model, and apart from minor panel work upgrades has not been able to do the same, as the Falcon, without significant chassis changes that were not conducive to the class in its current form.


What both the COT and COF concept also allow, is for other car manufacturers to compete in the series, with the same chassis. Body panels are effectively ‘bolted’ on according to what marquee the team is representing – Holden, Ford, Toyota, Hyundai and so on.



However, the class is not so much about looks as about combination of new and modern technology, cost cutting, parity, control, lower running and competition cost, innovation and marketing.


There is no doubt that the new V8 class will attract more Australians to our shores. The summer racing season in NZ gives plenty of race mileage and action for young drivers whose ambitions are for the V8 Supercars. The new generation NZV8s will give excellent experience at an affordable cost.


This season we have young Australian Scott McLaughlan racing in the BNT V8s for the experience as a stepping stone for the big league. His team have a two year program which incorporates racing in NZ and interest will be high in the COT for next year.


But what is to be done about the current line up of chassis and team equipment?


VEEGA have stated that it is their wish to develop a Fujitsu Australian style Championship for the class to carry on as a ‘Tier One’ support class with several options, as to race formats etc.


More controls can be introduced to cut running costs such as number of tyres allowed per season, engine and brake package controls.


This in turn opens up more opportunities for up and coming drivers with V8 Supercar aspirations and gives them more choice for experience within NZ.


COT promoters have got this formula right. The result will be a healthy, exciting and modern class of racing which heralds a new and much looked forward to era of V8 racing in New Zealand.