[VASC16R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000: 6-9 Oct (WITH POLL)

[MattV]

Originally Posted by mayhem

NASCAR has the right idea: let the drivers sort it out on the track. This series would explode in popularity if they did IMO.

We've already been there. Remember Amaroo Park 1993 - The first "V8 Supercar" round (by whatever name it had at the time).

[mayhem]

Yeah. How good was it?

Many of the 'big' moments in the category have been on the track and involving the driver's past histories with each other. A Jones/Skaife, Ingall/Skaife, Ambrose/Skaife, Ambrose/Kelly, Ambrose/Murphy. I stand by my initial comment, if drivers could settle differences on the track, the series would attract a new influx of fans. Not many teams can afford to keep wrecking cars, so self policing could work. Obviously BIG wrecks would still be open to officialdom scrutiny.

[Sandgroper]

Just rewatched the end of the race...don't think theres much in Jamie's bump and run to be honest. Very soft which THEN caused a comedy of events.

I didn't care eitherway who won, but didn't think there was much in Jamie's move.

Bring on the haters. LOL

[ford71]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Tander's points have 2 fifths of **** all to do with RBRA.

Scotty Mac took out Tander.

Just pointing out we have one team that caused the chaos trying to wring points out of the incident via courtroom and protests and another with 0 points copping it on the chin even though a potential Bathurst win was taken from them.

And I still see that Tander was taken out by Scotty due to Whincups move and dodgy redress.
Now stop making me defend HRT and Tander

[dirtymacca]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Just rewatched the end of the race...don't think theres much in Jamie's bump and run to be honest. Very soft which THEN caused a comedy of events.

I didn't care eitherway who won, but didn't think there was much in Jamie's move.

Bring on the haters. LOL

Then why did Wincup quickly 'redress' if he was in the RIGHT?.... Admission of guilt?

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by dirtymacca

Then why did Wincup quickly 'redress' if he was in the RIGHT?.... Admission of guilt?

Or quite possibly trying to preempt potential unjust punishments, which in hindsight wasn't a bad idea.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Or quite possibly trying to preempt potential unjust punishments, which in hindsight wasn't a bad idea.

This Exactly !

Seen a lot worse bumps go unnoticed

[dirtymacca]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

This Exactly !

Seen a lot worse bumps go unnoticed

I guess we will have to see the outcome of the protest. Which I believe is basically protesting the severity (15 second penalty) and not the fact that Whincup was at fault.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by dirtymacca

I guess we will have to see the outcome of the protest. Which I believe is basically protesting the severity (15 second penalty) and not the fact that Whincup was at fault.

I don't think they will overturn it but would be surprised if it happens, but you would be a brave man to reverse the desicion due to the backlash.

[Umai Naa]

Realisitcally, the best RBRA can expect is a reduction in the time penatly.

I think I speak for most when I say that it would be a total shock, if the board gives Whincup the win.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Realisitcally, the best RBRA can expect is a reduction in the time penatly.

I think I speak for most when I say that it would be a total shock, if the board gives Whincup the win.

Yep and yep

[gtcapri]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Or quite possibly trying to preempt potential unjust punishments, which in hindsight wasn't a bad idea.

That alone shows that the drivers and teams are getting too confused to what action to take after an incident. The inconsistency in penalties has always been mind boggling in this category but never as bad, confusing or controversial as it has been under Bargwanna.

In reality 888 have nothing to lose in this appeal. At best they get the points and the Bathurst win, at worst its overturned. Either way one of their three drivers will still win the championship and possibly another Bathurst. The fans will still line up for 888 merchandise and autographs. They will still be the best team in the paddock. Any negative publicity is water off a ducks back for RD.

But what it might do is finally is publicly force Supercars to get its act together with its rulings and the individuals enforcing them.

[GTRMagic]

[peckstar]

interesting stat from v8 website with some added research

since we have moved to not pairing co drivers. No car has gone back to back

In fact statistically in the 7 years of non pairing 6 different key drivers/car/numbers have won for a total of 12 drivers

In the nine years previously 3 cars effectively won HRT 1/2 (4 times), kmart 15 (2 times) and 888 (3 times), Cars were involved in back to back( to back) wins 3 times for a total of 7 of the 9 years.

Bathurst therefore appears harder to win now and less predictable

[Lukeyson]

Nothing special but was in the Redbull observation room for a bit in the race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uifrRj037dY

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Bathurst therefore appears harder to win now and less predictable

Although slightly artificial by denying teams the opportunity to build preferred combinations

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Although slightly artificial by denying teams the opportunity to build preferred combinations

however much less artificial than the old days when some teams had to split drivers because of sponsorship and others didnt. As the results show

[mayhem]

Certainly less artificial than giving drivers the chance of jumping into second cars mid race...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Certainly less artificial than giving drivers the chance of jumping into second cars mid race...

definately, Glad those days are over

[ford71]

Ditto, hard to understand how that was ever even allowed or encouraged via rules.
Ridiculous stuff.
I remember that Bathurst incident put my old man off the sport.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by ford71

Ditto, hard to understand how that was ever even allowed or encouraged via rules.
Ridiculous stuff.
I remember that Bathurst incident put my old man off the sport.

Mr Moffat was the first to use the cross entering rule wasn't he, back in 1980 when he had a steer of his own yellow XD, and later Mr Morris' XD...

[ford71]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Moffat was the first to use the cross entering rule wasn't he, back in 1980 when he had a steer of his own yellow XD, and later Mr Morris' XD...

I wasn't aware of this one.
(not surprisingly, as the old man was a Moffat fan, so that was maybe put in the game-on pile ).
Might have to look into this one

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

however much less artificial than the old days when some teams had to split drivers because of sponsorship and others didnt. As the results show

No sure I agree with that. Whilst commercial realities played a role - it was still left up to the teams to work that out for themselves rather than a hard & fast ruling by externals.

As for cross entering - not disagreeing however not sure what that has to do with the current driver rules and its impact on the hardest/ most competitive bathurst races to win.

[ford71]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Moffat was the first to use the cross entering rule wasn't he, back in 1980 when he had a steer of his own yellow XD, and later Mr Morris' XD...

So 2 DNF's in one day. (About what it deserves ).
Funny I don't recall reading about this before and I dont remember it coming up before yet the 05 / 25 Phil Brock Commodore story is well known. Guess it would be different if Moffat had have won that day.
Thanks for the heads up.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by ford71

So 2 DNF's in one day. (About what it deserves ).
Funny I don't recall reading about this before and I dont remember it coming up before yet the 05 / 25 Phil Brock Commodore story is well known. Guess it would be different if Moffat had have won that day.
Thanks for the heads up.

Mr Moffat used the cross entering rule again in '84 when his Rx7 got squished in the start line melee, and he stepped into the other car..

Mr Johnson drove 2 cars in 1985 in practice & qualifying (and withdrew one) and later raced 2 different Sierras in the 1988 Bathurst event..

Mr Brock switched between his BMWs too back in 1988.. till they both expired..

Mr Skaife drove both Nissan Skyline GT-Rs in the race in 1991, squeezing the quick times out of the #2 car till it blew up.

It has probably happened even more often than that, but not as successfully on-track as the two times Mr Brock did it in a Holden..