Chevron B19 - Page 16

allenbrown · 9 Jan 2009, 23:48 (Ref:2368632)

Drifty, you are absolved. I promise to be good over the weekend.

Simon, thanks for the double-check. I am mystified.

I didn't realise that Dupont was Swiss. There is one more Siffert car in the chassis listing, B71.71.18 which just says "SIFFERT (HUNCH)". Should we assume this means Siffert bought the car on a hunch that he might be able to sell it? He bought the car on behalf of a man called Hunch? He sold the car to a man with a hunch? Did Dupont have a hunch? Anyone have a hunch?

Steve Wilkinson · 10 Jan 2009, 10:01 (Ref:2368767)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

Drifty, you are absolved. I promise to be good over the weekend.

Simon, thanks for the double-check. I am mystified.

I didn't realise that Dupont was Swiss. There is one more Siffert car in the chassis listing, B71.71.18 which just says "SIFFERT (HUNCH)". Should we assume this means Siffert bought the car on a hunch that he might be able to sell it? He bought the car on behalf of a man called Hunch? He sold the car to a man with a hunch? Did Dupont have a hunch? Anyone have a hunch?

Or could the bloke be part Hungarian and part Swiss?

allenbrown · 10 Jan 2009, 11:22 (Ref:2368799)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

Nurburgring Interserie race 3 Apr 1972 (MN 13 Apr 1972 p27; preview MN 30 Mar 1972 p23)

J. John Gray (said to be a B19 in the preview; said to be a B21 in the race report)
AH. Jorg Zabrowski

Also Trevor Twaites crashed heavily in the race in his B21 (said to be a B19 in the preview)

Only mentioned in the preview
Pete Smith (B21)
Roger Heavens (B21?)

I have poached some more information on this race from Martin Krejci's website (source). He lists the following B19s:

J. John Gray ('B19')
U. Wicky Racing: Michel Dupont ('B19')
AH. Jörg Zaborowski ('B19')
AI. Ralf Walter ('B19')
He also lists Trevor Twaites' B21.

This is the first recorded outing we have for Ralf Walter's car. Burton, whose car carried the identity B19.71.10 in 1971 will make his first appearance of 1972 six days after the Nürburgring at Paul Ricard with - I'm predicting - a brand new B21.

Dr Lienau - would you now be willing to let me see the document showing the original import details via Mr Sobek in 1971? Email me at allen@oldracingcars.com if you'd prefer not to post it here.

driftwood · 10 Jan 2009, 11:52 (Ref:2368809)

off top of my head i think the Gray B19 is later updated to b21-24?
Twaites B16#6 is made up into b21
roger heavens b16#35 broekn down to make b21-16
Welpton & smith break down B16 #16 to build b19/21 and later rebuild the B16 sold in 01
B16#8 Tuckett & Fletcher car broken down tobuild B19 they buy own kit and build the car themselves with suspenion parts from B16S crashed by peter Humble
Brian Robinson told me he had B16#7 broke it down to use parts for his b21-2 car build

p261brm · 10 Jan 2009, 13:24 (Ref:2368845)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

Peter Humble rolls his B19 at Oulton Park 19 Oct 1971 (MN 21 Oct 1971 p15).

Info; Who at this time is sunning himself in Goa with his partner & son, now 2

driftwood · 10 Jan 2009, 13:40 (Ref:2368853)

pleased to hear he still has lead in the pencil at his age!

PeterMorley · 10 Jan 2009, 18:41 (Ref:2368948)

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Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Or could the bloke be part Hungarian and part Swiss?

Surely German (speaking) Swiss?

allenbrown · 10 Jan 2009, 21:47 (Ref:2369036)

Very good Peter! The closest I've got is Hundt. It was the Duckhams Oils Racing Team of H. Hundt GmbH that entered Bernd Terbeck's car in 1971 but Terbeck himself appears six places further down the list so that can't be right either.

Bryan Miller · 10 Jan 2009, 22:34 (Ref:2369066)

Question time chaps.

As yet I have seen no mention of any cars being pulled down and rebuilt into Gropa's , but it did happen , how many I know not , I think only a few.

Bryan.

p261brm · 10 Jan 2009, 23:38 (Ref:2369100)

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Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Question time chaps.

As yet I have seen no mention of any cars being pulled down and rebuilt into Gropa's , but it did happen , how many I know not , I think only a few.

Bryan.

As far as I know, most of the Gropas were converted from B8's, [and that could open another can of worms] Bob Curl who also had a big hand in the Nomads.

driftwood · 10 Jan 2009, 23:57 (Ref:2369110)

all the b6/8 Chevrons that where turned into Gropas are now back as Chevrons B6/6 cars
Gropa made a run of cars from scatch
1 such car evolved into the Vogue sports car in the early to mid 70`s with march uprights 2 litre motor
a few Gropas are in UK & eec 1 in usa racing

Dan Rear · 12 Jan 2009, 13:31 (Ref:2369922)

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Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

I think he's turning Japanese, he's turning Japanese, I really think so,
( I am so dreadfully sorry, I just couldn't resist it............)

The Vapors, Simon? Managed by Bruce Foxton and John Weller as I recall...

driftwood · 12 Jan 2009, 14:55 (Ref:2369967)

you mean Paul wellar from the jam

allenbrown · 13 Jan 2009, 10:52 (Ref:2370497)

Photographs

Can I make a plea for photographs of B19s please. Ether in period or in historic/vintage racing. Email anything you have to allen@oldracingcars.com or post it here.

What I really want are pictures that I can use (i.e. where I have the express permission of the copyright holder to use the picture).

I'm doing a summary of the information on this thread and it works best with pictures.

Many thanks
Allen

driftwood · 13 Jan 2009, 13:58 (Ref:2370611)

does anyone have B19 fotos with topless women please post here!!

Steve W do you have any idea where Frank Aston resided? was he from Ironbridge area?
when did he stop running the B19?

Just been flicking through 1974 AS reporst and adverts and found 2 obituaries
1 Phill Scragg killed in a road car accident
2 Michel Dupont found gassed in his garage at home

Steve Wilkinson · 13 Jan 2009, 16:00 (Ref:2370693)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

Steve W do you have any idea where Frank Aston resided? was he from Ironbridge area?
when did he stop running the B19?

The only information I have on Frank Aston is that he was a member of both the MAC and SUNBAC; this would indicate he was from the Midlands.

No idea when he actually stopped running the Chevron B19 but he was out in it during 1972 and then in 1973 I spotted him in entry lists driving an Astra and a Gropa.

driftwood · 13 Jan 2009, 16:59 (Ref:2370731)

aha that could tie in with what i know for Brian Robinson buying ex DART car and not the car in Dublin that was for sale
i guess Ironbridge is still north even for a Midlander
re Astra what model was he driving? info for the Astra thread !!

Steve Wilkinson · 13 Jan 2009, 20:44 (Ref:2370890)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

re Astra what model was he driving? info for the Astra thread !!

No idea - the paperwork I have just says Astra with a 1.6 litre engine (probably FVA?).

driftwood · 15 Jan 2009, 00:01 (Ref:2371701)

Steve who is this?
AS classified advert Feb 75
Chevron B19 FVC FT200 used only for hillclimbs apply Stross ( then mailing street address) Leeds

It is not John Cleland car as he has ex RRR B23 on the hills

Steve Wilkinson · 15 Jan 2009, 11:07 (Ref:2371911)

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Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Above: "Chippy" Stross in a B19 FVC at Harewood in 1975

Drifty, the car you asked about is shown above from Post #188. Chippy Stross was a Northern speed eventer based in Leeds and who ran mainly at Harewood.

Could this car be the ex-Reg Phillips car seeing as the ad claims that it was "used only for hillclimbs"?

driftwood · 16 Jan 2009, 00:18 (Ref:2372398)

Great thanks for info no doubt we will nail this down to a chassi number and then seek it out in later years adverts
where did Reg Phillips come from?

allenbrown · 16 Jan 2009, 09:11 (Ref:2372535)

Tewkesbury . And his car was B19-71-28

Steve Wilkinson · 16 Jan 2009, 09:49 (Ref:2372550)

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Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Could this car be the ex-Reg Phillips car seeing as the ad claims that it was "used only for hillclimbs"?

Answering my own question - NO! Just been back to check UPHILL RACERS and Chris Mason mentions both Reg Phillips and "Chippy" Stross were running their Chevrons in the same season.

allenbrown · 16 Jan 2009, 11:59 (Ref:2372601)

Which season is that Steve? Do you have the page reference?

Steve Wilkinson · 16 Jan 2009, 12:08 (Ref:2372605)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

Which season is that Steve? Do you have the page reference?

Page 235, appears to be 1971.

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