WEC Toyota LMP1 Discussion - Page 160

kvenom · 31 Mar 2016, 15:07 (Ref:3629053)

Wurz on the new car:

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It's certain that at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which he won twice, his help will be invaluable. Leading up to this year's edition, the all-new TS050 will be the focus of all his attention. "This Prologue is promising. We conducted rather extreme tests during the first day yesterday that did not show the performance level of the car. That will also be the case today for the second day. There is a lot to gain in terms of time. We are back in the game, but we will have to wait until the first race to realize our potential!"

Toyotats03OUS · 31 Mar 2016, 16:48 (Ref:3629073)

16 day to go!!!!! can not wait to see what toyota is bringing ,,,

deggis · 31 Mar 2016, 17:59 (Ref:3629087)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Hm, I don't think you`ve followed driver developments over recent years closely to be honest.

Sarrazin once was the absolute top dog during the Diesel years, he was undoubtedly the fastest guy at Peugeot, regularly setting their pole times and holding the Le Mans pole record for a considerable time.

He never managed to carry over that magic to driving the hybrids though. Granted, he's still a solid works driver but nowhere near as quick and ahead of the rest of the Toyota drivers as he was at Peugeot.

Maybe the "traditional" high-power Diesel cars suited his style more than the hybrids that require a different driving style (coasting etc.).

Either way, the observation that he's getting better over the years is definitely off as he has been regressing quite a bit since 2009-2011. Granted, on a very high level, still a solid driver...but certainly not Toyota's go-to guy for the really quick times.

I don't know if there can be such direct connection to hybrid era. Maybe his prime age just ended, while other drivers around him (in the team) were replaced by younger and faster ones.

carbon_titanium · 31 Mar 2016, 19:35 (Ref:3629110)

Sarrazin was great in aston martin, and surely one of the best, if not the best, peugeot factory driver until 2009. In 2010 I guess he suffered the presence of new and faster drivers like bourdais and davidson, in 2011 lacked of consistency but need to say also that he hadn't great help by montagny, while bourdais, pagenaud and davidson were on the edge during the whole season.
In toyota has never shown his skills yet, and with wurz has been the slowest driver so far. Need to say also that Sarrazin wasn't toyota first choice, but was recruited after TMG dropped the other japanese driver.

kvenom · 31 Mar 2016, 19:38 (Ref:3629112)

He's stable and doesn't make many mistakes. Need to have that in a car with a person making his LMP1 debut.

TF110 · 31 Mar 2016, 21:13 (Ref:3629133)

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Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

Sarrazin was great in aston martin, and surely one of the best, if not the best, peugeot factory driver until 2009. In 2010 I guess he suffered the presence of new and faster drivers like bourdais and davidson, in 2011 lacked of consistency but need to say also that he hadn't great help by montagny, while bourdais, pagenaud and davidson were on the edge during the whole season.
In toyota has never shown his skills yet, and with wurz has been the slowest driver so far. Need to say also that Sarrazin wasn't toyota first choice, but was recruited after TMG dropped the other japanese driver.

Who then won the Super Formula title on top of his numerous Super GT titles.

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Originally Posted by kvenom

He's stable and doesn't make many mistakes. Need to have that in a car with a person making his LMP1 debut.

True! But, Kobayashi has raced in the wec with the GTE Ferrari, so he's not totally new to the concept.

The Wurz comments are interesting. I wonder if Toyota was using older or used tires for a lot of their running? Maybe they ran conservative with the engine mapping.

godlameroso · 1 Apr 2016, 20:38 (Ref:3629397)

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Originally Posted by roderick

Totally agree. Plus, for 3rd energy source, they are better off getting energy from exhaust.

On that I definitely agree. In F1 they're only allwed 4MJ from the battery per lap, but there is no limit to how much they can get directly from MGU-H to MGU-K, some people believe that Mercedes deploys as much as 6MJ per lap. Having a MGU-H is extremely powerful because it can eliminate turbo lag for one, and improve combustion across the entire power band, this has the benefit of giving a higher BMEP which generates more power for the MGU-H.

Starfish Primer · 1 Apr 2016, 20:53 (Ref:3629400)

Anybody knows why "electric turbos" aren´t in production cars yet? I´ve seen some concepts from Audi but nothing on sale yet.

cokata · 1 Apr 2016, 21:53 (Ref:3629421)

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Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Anybody knows why "electric turbos" aren´t in production cars yet? I´ve seen some concepts from Audi but nothing on sale yet.

Most production engines are low on power and redline, and are rarely driven flat out. All those facts combine to make the gain. And it's not worth to use it just to eliminate lag.

Japanese Samurai · 2 Apr 2016, 12:04 (Ref:3629501)

Very impressive pit start acceleration of TS050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQIzhXNVfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vyj1XMQJQ

manthey · 2 Apr 2016, 13:40 (Ref:3629529)

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Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Anybody knows why "electric turbos" aren´t in production cars yet? I´ve seen some concepts from Audi but nothing on sale yet.

new audi SQ7 TDI has one electric turbo

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/audi-sq7-tdi-5477

hondafan37 · 2 Apr 2016, 17:06 (Ref:3629570)

Endurance -Info says there are rumors that Jose Maria Lopez (Pechito) was testing the Toyota LMP1. Pechito not deny this rumor, simply he says that because the contract with Citroen he can not speak until June.
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/jos...mes-objectifs/

cokata · 2 Apr 2016, 17:12 (Ref:3629573)

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Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Very impressive pit start acceleration of TS050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQIzhXNVfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1vyj1XMQJQ

It gave them a slight advantage over the others before, but it looks visibly quicker than the TS040, and they are still the only ones to use that system. It can gain them a few tenths or maybe half a second on pit stops, as well as save the weight and space of a starter motor.

TF110 · 2 Apr 2016, 17:42 (Ref:3629589)

Little interview with Conway on sc365. He says you definitely feel the difference in the powertrain.

I would love to see Lopez given a shot in the Toyota. Who would he replace if he took a full time seat? My guess would be Sarrazin. And if not a full time seat, he could partner with Hirakawa in the possible third car.

manthey · 2 Apr 2016, 17:55 (Ref:3629594)

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Originally Posted by hondafan37

Endurance -Info says there are rumors that Jose Maria Lopez (Pechito) was testing the Toyota LMP1. Pechito not deny this rumor, simply he says that because the contract with Citroen he can not speak until June.
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/jos...mes-objectifs/

as I wrote some weeks ago I hope to see him as official driver for Audi or Porsche, I think he is a top driver that suits LMP1
my ideal squads:

lopez-lotterer-treluyer(or di grassi/rast)
lopez-hartley-estre (pure raw speed team)

imho he is a very very solid driver,perfect for endurance

TF110 · 2 Apr 2016, 22:47 (Ref:3629662)

Why Audi or Porsche? Their future doesn't seem as solid as Toyota's.

manthey · 3 Apr 2016, 07:51 (Ref:3629767)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Why Audi or Porsche? Their future doesn't seem as solid as Toyota's.

a good toyota team imho could be:
buemi/nakajima(or kobayashi)/lopez

imho Porsche will stay for long time, juts see how much spent on new facilities at Weissach

about Audi..let's see if eventually will embark in the F1...but actual regulations are tough..maybe can start as engine supplier (red bull?) and then make an own F1 car

Richard C · 3 Apr 2016, 14:30 (Ref:3629877)

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Originally Posted by manthey

imho Porsche will stay for long time, juts see how much spent on new facilities at Weissach

Agree. Significant infrastructure spending. They are likely in it for the long haul (as long as the series remains inline with thier goals and it's unlikely that will change given thier influence)

I have less strong opinions on Audi. Maybe a jump to F1 when VAG thinks the time is right.

Richard

Acid09 · 3 Apr 2016, 15:37 (Ref:3629908)

Porsche & Toyota seem to be in it for the long haul (2018 and beyond), I'm not entirely as confident about Audi though.

TF110 · 3 Apr 2016, 20:35 (Ref:3629996)

I don't doubt Porsche staying. Audi imo is 50/50. The main concern for me is if dieselgate may affect how many cars Porsche enters. Meanwhile Toyota is talking about finally getting that third car. That on top of putting Hirakawa in elms. Then you heard about testing numerous drivers like Sutil, JEV and now Pechito Lopez. Looks like a future hot seat. Plus the hybrid aspect is Toyota's forte.

TF110 · 6 Apr 2016, 18:29 (Ref:3630770)

Autosport reporting Wurz is the reserve driver! Although he's still 'retired'

Hawkwood · 6 Apr 2016, 20:59 (Ref:3630801)

Wonder what's happened to Beche and possibly being in Toyota's plans? I know the link between him and Toyota was... tenuous, but it would be nice to see him move up to a factory squad.

carbon_titanium · 6 Apr 2016, 21:01 (Ref:3630804)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Autosport reporting Wurz is the reserve driver! Although he's still 'retired'

BTW as peugeot shown more than once, a car more powerfull but overweight is always better than a less powerfull car.

TF110 · 7 Apr 2016, 03:13 (Ref:3630846)

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Originally Posted by Hawkwood

Wonder what's happened to Beche and possibly being in Toyota's plans? I know the link between him and Toyota was... tenuous, but it would be nice to see him move up to a factory squad.

I thought he'd be reserve until he signed on with Thiriet's elms squad. Ironically (or not), Toyota young driver Hirakawa is in the same car.

Hawkwood · 7 Apr 2016, 16:43 (Ref:3630963)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I thought he'd be reserve until he signed on with Thiriet's elms squad. Ironically (or not), Toyota young driver Hirakawa is in the same car.

Yeah I thought so too. I forgot about Hirakawa though. It'll be interesting to watch his development this year.

Is it too early to nail my colours to the mast for Beche-Hirakawa-JM Lopez in a third Toyota in 2017?

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