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Been thinking about this all day - Mariantic's simple solution:- Rename LMP2 as LMP1 - suddenly lots of entrants Have LMP1+ as non-Gibson LMPs (that's LMP1 hybrids, privateer LMP1s and DPIs) - the development class Promote GTE / GTLM as the manufacturer category Mariantic |
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Promoting GTE as the manufacturer class might be good or a bad thing depending on how ACO maintain balance between marques. Then again, some manufacturers could just bri- I mean, spend more on "development".
You know what, FIA and ACO should make revamp WEC into a Formula Libre-style racing series. Of course, they won't take that idea seriously, right? |
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I think it makes sense to have all constructors under one rule set instead of two. Then let the manufacturers and teams decide on an engine and bodywork. Maybe let manufacturers build their own cars too if the ACO can ensure they won't destroy the rest of the field. Put the faster cars in P1 and the slower in P2. Hybrids can have a fuel mileage advantage instead of a ridiculous power advantage. |
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But change is what we need now - and I mean NOW. I like your thinking Salamus - keep saying it, perhaps notice will be taken. I get a feeling ACO are "reaching out" Mariantic |
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It's a pretty arbitrary thing. There's already big fields of LMP2 cars that are the top class in one series, as close on pace as many LMP1 cars of the past, and are fully aware they have a noteworthy chance of winning Le Mans outright. There's no need to pretend it's LMP1 just as there's no need to rebrand GT3.
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I think honestly that Sebring might be a place holder until they get their own weekend somewhere else. Any votes on when or where that ought to be?
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Trois Rivieres. Or Montreal. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. Now THAT would be a World Championship event! Far away from Sebring.
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I think the series will survive just fine despite the feelings of impending doom. They have plenty of teams in p2 so if one wants to move up to p1 there is room enough. On top of that, they have BMW joining next year in GTE. At least BR engineering/Dallara will join lmp1 and the broadcast was speaking of Manor moving up to p1 (I presume with a Ginetta). Lots here don't care for the races of the wec past Le Mans, so it shouldn't be a big deal that they've cut back the number of rounds, right? Bahrain was not popular at all. Nurburgring attendance has fallen since it's first race. Silverstone is having issues and isn't even sure of an F1 race there anymore. Mexico isn't that popular of a venue it seems. And finally, COTA is replaced with everyone's 'favorite track' in NA but some reasons it's the death of WEC?
I guess since Sebring is after IMSA's race it's not good enough. Maybe if IMSA didn't have spec tires and Nascar style rules or DPi actually was a faster class than lmp2 they could run together. People are upset with Silverstone being cancelled. I feel that way as well, but Neveu says it's not completely gone. Shanghai isn't a classic track, but it's the biggest or second biggest market for these guys and there's rumors of a Chinese manufacturer wanting to join ACO sportscar racing. My guess is the February race is somewhere in Latin America, maybe Mexico, maybe South America? If not then maybe South Africa or even... Kuwait? |
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The Sebring 12 hour clone race is the least bad solution for now to meet the three continent requirement and thus keep the WEC alive. I (and many others) doubt it’s the long-term solution to the requirement. But the WEC doesn’t have many options, especially with a winter schedule. Per the July 13, 2017 list of FIA licensed circuits, here are the Grade 1 and Grade 2 circuits outside Europe and Asia by continent then country (excludes FE circuits): USA: COTA*, Indy*, Barber, Line Rock, Long Beach, Nola, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sebring, St. Petersburg, Watkins Glen, VIR Canada: Montreal* (not on list but assumed), Mosport Argentina: Autódromo Termas de R*o Hondo Mexico: Mexico City* Brazil: Interlagos* South Africa: Kyalami Australia: Albert Park*, Eastern Creek, Surfers Paradise New Zealnd: Taupo * = Grade 1, rest Grade 2 |
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temporary; too short I have my concerns about the layout; Oscar y Juan Galvez once hosted a round of the WSC, before Daytona in the year (crazily), so . . . too Mexico City too in crippling debt too owned by Porsche/too in a country that may be on the verge of a political crisis ___ This response brought to you by the Ten-Tenths Institute of Stating Problems Without Working Towards Solutions |
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Considering that the WEC are now seemingly making knee-jerk decisions and how they seem shocked that Porsche left (though the writing was on the wall for nearly a year), it's clear that they don't have a 100% solid plan and I expect things to be in flux.
Also, without LMP1 or GTE-Pro, the WEC is only a step or two away from being a ELMS clone. That the image a lot of people already have of the WEC, and I'm starting to share that view. If the lose the pro classes, then the ACO have two pro-am dominated series under their sanction. Granted, this does show that the ACO are open to change on their stance on several issues for which they've been criticized. Such as their dedication to running Grade 1 tracks. I do feel that Sebring is a good move, but I doubt it'll be a long term fixture on their calendar. It's pretty clear they want a stand alone weekend to themselves. And I don't think they'll get that at Sebring. The WEC should be creating their own classic rounds, not necessarily piggy-backing on an IMSA race, no matter how much we (or I) like Sebring as a track or event. |
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Silverstone will still have ELMS. Which frankly if they had stayed on the WEC schedule in 2018 would possibly have been about what that race amounted to either besides factory GTEs and maybe some privateer P1 smoke shows.
Ideally WEC should either race outside North America before Daytona or in North America between Daytona and Sebring. Porsche's complaint is kind of odd considering IMSA and WEC are completely separate teams, it's more a problem for someone like Rebellion if they're trying to do the middle east and Florida within a couple weeks of each other but still seems more ideal to stay in the US than fly back and forth. |
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The only reason the ACO are open to change now is because they have their backs against the wall. As for the schedule, the Feb date can be anything. North America, South America, Asia, Middle East, Africa, and even Australia are all possibilities. As for Sebring, I hope this clone 12 hour race doesn't happen. Better if they go to Laguna Seca in my opinion. Does anybody want to watch a 12 hour race involving < 30 cars? Not me. |
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Man, it's hard to read all this. So much negativity.
I thought this was a forum for sports car fans. 1. I see no problem with Le Mans as the finale, it's a worthy finish and surely makes the championships feel more valuable. 2- I don't understand the complaints about Sebring, after everyone complained about COTA.. Who really cares if it's an identity crisis? We get to enjoy more Sebring racing... 3- fingers crossed for Kyalami, I really like the circuit, more than some of the other apparent options 4- shame about silverstone yes, I've been ever year for a while, but it'll hopefully be back and it's not the end of the world to miss one or two years after we have been lucky enough to enjoy many years of great races there 4- I hope we don't get DPi. LMP1 to me is about pioneering, you can't do that on a standard bit of kit 5- it's not all bad. We are definitely going to see BMW join, BR and Ginetta are firm likelys for next year, Lamborghini are possibly going to announce at end of September, mclaren and more have been rumoured to be debating joining. Oh and Alpine supposedly want to be in LMP1 in the next few years. Some pretty exciting reasons to watch the WEC next year, and I for one will just take it in whatever format it comes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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