[WEC] Toyota LMP1 Discussion

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by kvenom

Comparing that press release to the 2014 one is night and day.

No surprise there, they had the car to beat in 2014 and everyone knew.

Then again, it didn't do them good in the end

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by TF110

According to rumor on E-I's threads, Toyota was using 'only' 300kw at Spa.

Better late than never*, but this has been confirmed in RCE's LM preview. Toyota have not run more than 300 kW at any point so far as part of their preparations for the 24. The unstated implication is that the TS050's hybrid can deliver more, so we will see if they open the taps post-LM.

*Apologies if this a repost, I did a cursory search and only found this post regarding a self-imposed limit.

[bentley speed 8]

Hmmm, that is quite intriguing. But it still doesn't account for being off pace at the test day.
Again, we can only wait and speculate until track action begins

[Acid09]

Toyota has confirmed that their programme is basically open-ended, team is already working on the 2017 & 2018 season cars.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...neering-1.html

[Articus]

Originally Posted by Acid09

Toyota has confirmed that their programme is basically open-ended, team is already working on the 2017 & 2018 season cars.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...neering-1.html

Most notably....Neel Jani said they can improve on the 3:15 pole time from last year if it stays dry!!!!

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Acid09

Toyota has confirmed that their programme is basically open-ended, team is already working on the 2017 & 2018 season cars.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...neering-1.html

Hopefully it's not just "until we win Le Mans", but they go and do it and keep the program running afterwards.

[mike46and2]

What was Toyotas advantage at Spa down to? Tire compounds ? Or does that car have an advantage of some sort ?

[TF110]

Tires did play a part, but they had great long run pace as well. They were able to do a couple 1:59's on harder tires plus limited their hybrid output to 300kw when it could have been a lot more. They weren't quite as quick over one lap as Porsche, but Porsche didn't/couldn't double stint.

[sssssssss]

i think it was mainly tires though. and the issues of both audi (handling) and porsche (hybrid system, etc.). most of that will probably not apply at le mans. but they are clearly in contention this year, unlike in 2015.

[Toyotats03OUS]

Originally Posted by sssssssss

i think it was mainly tires though. and the issues of both audi (handling) and porsche (hybrid system, etc.). most of that will probably not apply at le mans. but they are clearly in contention this year, unlike in 2015.

Lololol wooooow ......Q and A ...(question) what was Toyota advantage at spa ? (Answer by ssssssss and Arthur ) the advantage that Toyota had was the tire wear and the fact that Audi and Porsche were getting hit with 100 mph head on wind while Toyota was being push by a 200mph wind from the rear !!!.....my god !!!!!just stop hating on the other team so much !!!!give credit where is due ,,.im a huge Toyota fan and I'm always here reading everyone's comments , and sometimes I write something ,,,if you read the few comments that I had posted it in the past, when Porsche and Audi were dominating I would give them credit plaint and simple ,,,none of this BS excuses that some of the Porsche and Audi fans been making here all year around ,,..

[Toyotats03OUS]

If Toyota some how manage to win Le Mans this year ,,,,you are going to see all the Audi and Porsche fanboys here making up excuse left and right !!!!!! Is going to be something like this ...Toyota won because the Porsche were using last year hybrid system and because Audi only had 2 cars !!!!lolol hahahah .....

[Toyotats03OUS]

I think the biggest challenge for Toyota this year at Le man is going to be reliability and Audi ,,,Porsche not so much ....we are going to see a very fast and strong Audi and Toyota team at leman ,,,

[sssssssss]

Originally Posted by Toyotats03OUS

Lololol wooooow ......Q and A ...(question) what was Toyota advantage at spa ? (Answer by ssssssss and Arthur ) the advantage that Toyota had was the tire wear and the fact that Audi and Porsche were getting hit with 100 mph head on wind while Toyota was being push by a 200mph wind from the rear !!!.....my god !!!!!just stop hating on the other team so much !!!!give credit where is due ,,.im a huge Toyota fan and I'm always here reading everyone's comments , and sometimes I write something ,,,if you read the few comments that I had posted it in the past, when Porsche and Audi were dominating I would give them credit plaint and simple ,,,none of this BS excuses that some of the Porsche and Audi fans been making here all year around ,,..

there's no hating in my reply, it's just the way i perceived the spa race. there's no need for excuses on audi's side, since they won the race. and there's no need for excuses for porsche either, since they were significantly quicker than anybody else. i just think it's the wrong choice of words to say toyota was "faster" than porsche. in terms of pure speed, they were closer to audi than to porsche at spa. yes, they were a lot more consistent than porsche, and it's just my opinion, but i think that's the right word to use, consistency, not speed. but stating toyota "dominated" the spa race is hilarious to me. they didn't have the speed of the porsche and they didn't have the reliability of the audi and, although the shape in which audi and porsche showed up meant quite a good deal of luck on toyota's side, they were still unable to make that a race win. also, judging by relative performance between audi, porsche and toyota at ricard, silverstone and le mans test day, i think it is reasonable, at this point, to assume it was mostly a tire choice advantage that they had at spa. maybe le mans will prove that wrong, but so far we have no clue in that direction.

[gustavobamba]

Let´s all wait and see what happens next weekend!!!!

It will be a very good race

[godlameroso]

Any predictions for qualifying times? I think Toyota can do 3:17.

[cokata]

Originally Posted by godlameroso

Any predictions for qualifying times? I think Toyota can do 3:17.

I hope so. Pole will be at least in the 16s if the weather is good.

[Irie]

Toyota twitter posted a comparison of low vs high downforce kit:

[TF110]

Originally Posted by godlameroso

Any predictions for qualifying times? I think Toyota can do 3:17.

Their best lap last year was 3:20 in the race. They've improved by about 2.5-3 seconds on last year's car (during the test day) running used tires. That would be around 3:17 if they improve that much on a 3:20.

[roderick]

Originally Posted by TF110

Their best lap last year was 3:20 in the race. They've improved by about 2.5-3 seconds on last year's car (during the test day) running used tires. That would be around 3:17 if they improve that much on a 3:20.

I know it's no point of having a guessing contest but I think They will hit 2:16 and here is why.
Given they've improved their time on all the circuits so far and with battery instead of Capacitors, they can use the pole position run sequence unlike last year.

Also, I'd like to believe they've got something special just for le mans!

[GasperG]

I doubt they got something special for LeMans that they didn't show at test day, every team will improve their test day lap times, but not by much.

7% fuel flow cut is a big hit, we will not see many laps under 3:20 (if any in race), but I don't care, lap time is just a number and it doesn't make race more watchable.

[sssssssss]

i'm pretty sure toyota can do 3:18 at least and i'm also pretty sure they'll do it in the race. not that sure they will care much about qualifying though.

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by GasperG

I doubt they got something special for LeMans that they didn't show at test day, every team will improve their test day lap times, but not by much.

Several previews i`ve read, including the one from DSC pretty much hinted at Toyota not nearly showing what they got during the test day. I doubt everybody's wrong.

Toyota general never cared much for practice or Q, even in 2014 when they had the vastly superior car it was never that visible in the practice sessions, they're always very race-pace oriented.

[cokata]

Originally Posted by GasperG

I doubt they got something special for LeMans that they didn't show at test day, every team will improve their test day lap times, but not by much.

7% fuel flow cut is a big hit, we will not see many laps under 3:20 (if any in race), but I don't care, lap time is just a number and it doesn't make race more watchable.

Just gonna say that the TS040 did a 20.8 in the race. The TS050 will handily beat that time, and it is almost certain that both Porsche and Audi will go even quicker.

[sssssssss]

Originally Posted by Acid09

Several previews i`ve read, including the one from DSC pretty much hinted at Toyota not nearly showing what they got during the test day. I doubt everybody's wrong.

Toyota general never cared much for practice or Q, even in 2014 when they had the vastly superior car it was never that visible in the practice sessions, they're always very race-pace oriented.

well, it didn't prove "vastly superior" in the race at all. but i agree they, like audi, don't care much about qualifying times, which is kind of a shame, i loved the good old days when all the major competitors were trying their best to set that time and push their cars to the limit. the main fun about qualifying is showing a car's ultimate pace and toyota and especially audi were kinda no fun in the latter years in that respect. on the other hand, their claims (especially audi's) of focusing on race setup during quali were, i think, a bit ridiculed by them losing the race to porsche, last year, who were supposed to be the ones focusing on headlines and record-breaking pole positions.

concerning toyota "not nearly" showing their true pace yet, i think that's really true for all of the 3 main competitors. but this morning i just watched a short interview with an davidson claiming the test day was "decent" or something of that kind, but that they weren't quite as quick as they wanted to be (although he too suggested they didn't go for an ultimate lap time, as i think none of them actually did). on the other hand, audi also said they feel they can bring out more of their new r18 than what they currently have.

[GasperG]

I'm huge Toyota fan, but face it, no one showed their hand on test day, fact is Toyota must find more speed then other two and I'm afraid that is unlikely. But then again strategy, pit stop times, safety cars, can quickly render 1s per lap out, I hope it will be tight.