IMSA DPi Discussion - Page 18

seanyb505 · 15 Apr 2016, 01:05 (Ref:3632802)

She'll be the brad kettler for Bentley. Not for one team, but for the manufacturer that sells race cars to multiple teams. This dp nonsense is nonsense.

chernaudi · 15 Apr 2016, 01:05 (Ref:3632804)

You forgot that Bentley, like Audi, Porsche and Lamborghini, are involved in GT3 customer programs. Quoting DSC:

"Leena is known to be bound for a motorsport role with Bentley on their customer programmes, not with MSport, and specifically NOT linked with any future programmes, but rather in a managerial role."

HORNDAWG · 15 Apr 2016, 19:06 (Ref:3633073)

More clarification on the DPi / P2 from Atherton.

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/12826...=1&limitstart=

L.P.

Deleted · 15 Apr 2016, 19:25 (Ref:3633077)

I would put that ["DPi" in LMP1 privateer] in the category of an interesting idea that is certainly worthy of more thought and discovery.

No it isn't Scotty.

Matt · 15 Apr 2016, 19:31 (Ref:3633080)

You know that's exactly what's gonna end up happening.

**skycafe** · 15 Apr 2016, 20:04 (Ref:3633086)

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Originally Posted by Matt

You know that's exactly what's gonna end up happening.

Sadly, yep.

Maelochs · 15 Apr 2016, 20:57 (Ref:3633103)

Scott Atherton says "If history is our guide, looking at what IMSA has accomplished in truly balancing the very diversified Daytona Prototype architecture with the equally diversified current LMP2 architecture, as I say, we are confident that that is not an issue."

Of course it has never been an issue ... because you have never given a $h!7.

Can you believe Scott A. thinks balancing DPs with P2s is not an issue?

I can ... the phrase is, "Par for the course."

BullMan · 16 Apr 2016, 02:11 (Ref:3633165)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Scott Atherton says "If history is our guide, looking at what IMSA has accomplished in truly balancing the very diversified Daytona Prototype architecture with the equally diversified current LMP2 architecture, as I say, we are confident that that is not an issue."

Of course it has never been an issue ... because you have never given a $h!7.

Can you believe Scott A. thinks balancing DPs with P2s is not an issue?

I can ... the phrase is, "Par for the course."

He's been a moron for years. It will be a good day when the brass finally boots him to the curb. I enjoyed his multiple usage of the phrase, "enables manufacturers to bring brand design," when it's really "demands manufacturers to bring brand design."

chernaudi · 16 Apr 2016, 02:33 (Ref:3633168)

IMSA keeps him around because Jim and Don know that he'll do and say what they pay him to do, or he knows that he gets a fat check by doing/saying what France and Panoz tell him.

TF110 · 16 Apr 2016, 03:25 (Ref:3633173)

I hope dpi and lmp-private aligns. But I hope regs are based more on the latter. This way we can say lmp1 is in imsa, but I don't expect any miracles.

**joeb** · 16 Apr 2016, 13:20 (Ref:3633316)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I would put that ["DPi" in LMP1 privateer] in the category of an interesting idea that is certainly worthy of more thought and discovery.

No it isn't Scotty.

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Originally Posted by Matt

You know that's exactly what's gonna end up happening.

In that article he also states that the Gibson powered "regular" P2's will be the baseline for performance of the DPi's. So why would he think the cars should be with a supposedly faster class at Le Mans instead of with the P2's that they are supposed to be on par with?

Say what you will about Atherton, but having a job like that would be pretty awesome. I mean you get to go out in the press and say what you want and not be held accountable!

Deleted · 16 Apr 2016, 13:39 (Ref:3633327)

He also first describes LMP1 as "solely focused on manufacturer involvement" only to later recognize privateers as part of it and potentially "elegant" companion to the "DPi" (of course only outside his own series), despite saying in the same sentence not really having looked into it at all. Everything contradicts everything

Bob Baldwin · 16 Apr 2016, 13:59 (Ref:3633345)

I would certainly have to agree with Chiana . Mr. " A's " News / PR/ Interview Release does seem to hold a LOT of CONTRADICTIONS

Does anyone really have the final SAY ?? or is this more continuing FLUFF and CONFUSION ??

MoMedic9019 · 16 Apr 2016, 14:52 (Ref:3633381)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

IMSA keeps him around because Jim and Don know that he'll do and say what they pay him to do, or he knows that he gets a fat check by doing/saying what France and Panoz tell him.

He says everything by saying nothing. I read the opening salvo, and was like... holy crap. Marshall actually got him to talk, and that quickly devolved into Atherton-speak quickly.

With the ELMS and WEC back on this weekend, I doubt I'll care much about the LBGP. I caught the interview with Auberlen last night, and was irritated beyond words when he was "so excited" about how good the illegal, can't be raced anywhere but IMSA BMW, is.

Time and time again, IMSA is hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot. They have an amazing opportunity to build a series that could have significant impact on the world racing community, and what do they do? Do their own thing and screw it all up.

I'm not suggesting that Spec P2 is the way, but, there is ZERO need to maintain a link to France and the ACO if you are purposefully going to just "do your own thing" all the time.

My interest is beginning to wane again with IMSA.

Maelochs · 16 Apr 2016, 16:16 (Ref:3633405)

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Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

.... or is this more continuing FLUFF and CONFUSION ??

Mr. Atherton's lips are moving ... he is therefore spewing Fluff and Confusion.

As for what IMSA Could be: I am watching ELMS, which is a bunch of P2s, P3s, and GTEs ... and it rocks. Everything from the announcers to the on-track action ... just a great show. I keep thinking, "This is what IMSA could be."

TzeiTzei · 16 Apr 2016, 16:29 (Ref:3633408)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

As for what IMSA Could be: I am watching ELMS, which is a bunch of P2s, P3s, and GTEs ... and it rocks. Everything from the announcers to the on-track action ... just a great show. I keep thinking, "This is what IMSA could be."

I've been thinking the same while watching this race. Much more exciting than a typical IMSA race.

jimclark · 16 Apr 2016, 16:41 (Ref:3633412)

where to watch guys?

Maelochs · 16 Apr 2016, 17:00 (Ref:3633419)

European le Mans Series website ... free of charge

Bob Baldwin · 16 Apr 2016, 20:17 (Ref:3633466)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Mr. Atherton's lips are moving ... he is therefore spewing Fluff and Confusion.

As for what IMSA Could be: I am watching ELMS, which is a bunch of P2s, P3s, and GTEs ... and it rocks. Everything from the announcers to the on-track action ... just a great show. I keep thinking, "This is what IMSA could be."

Maelochs : I could NOT agree with you more

P2 , P3 , GTE and GT3 are what makes the show NO PC's PLEASE

I do have to admit if I am there for more than a day I DO watch the Conti Event .it IS a race after all !!!

Having been involved with John and Peggy Bishop from the Launch of IMSA they must be Spinning in their Graves . Down through the years as IMSA has been bought and Sold SO many times I have figured to give the NEW OWNERS 2-3 years to sort everything out Such a shame they just don,t GET IT from a Fans Perspective .

Without the fans perspective of consideration in place WHERE is the NEW FANS interest going to come from .???

Don't even get me started on a Sponsors perspective either . We had a
Global Corporation set to enter the Market to run a few IMSA events , 4 NAEC , 3 ELMS events and 3 possibly 4 WEC events .Yes the $$$ 's were large but it was precisely IMSA's Attitude that made the deal go away .

THANKS : Scot Atherton How many times has this happened ? Wether competitors are competing with you Full or Partime can you seriously afford to even loose a Part-Timer ?

MoMedic9019 · 16 Apr 2016, 20:57 (Ref:3633473)

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Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

Maelochs : I could NOT agree with you more

P2 , P3 , GTE and GT3 are what makes the show NO PC's PLEASE

I do have to admit if I am there for more than a day I DO watch the Conti Event .it IS a race after all !!!

Why wouldn't you? Conti provides some great racing.

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Having been involved with John and Peggy Bishop from the Launch of IMSA they must be Spinning in their Graves . Down through the years as IMSA has been bought and Sold SO many times I have figured to give the NEW OWNERS 2-3 years to sort everything out Such a shame they just don,t GET IT from a Fans Perspective .

They don't WANT to get it. They just want the corporate cash, and no NASCAR competition.

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Without the fans perspective of consideration in place WHERE is the NEW FANS interest going to come from .???

Hope and luck? I have no idea. The WEC has done it right. IMSA is doing it wrong per normal.

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THANKS : Scott Atherton How many times has this happened ? Wether competitors are competing with you Full or Partime can you seriously afford to even loose a Part-Timer ?

You can't afford to lose anyone, yet, you do little to gain.

TF110 · 16 Apr 2016, 22:47 (Ref:3633503)

They can keep p3 and pc. Just do dpi as a p1 type deal and then use the leftovers as p2 combined with upgraded pc.

Rcz · 16 Apr 2016, 23:51 (Ref:3633520)

Geez, how melodramatic. We don't even know what these cars are going to look like and everybody is complaining.

You know, they could just get rid of prototypes and just be all GT. Suddenly with all this political crap going with this P class, going GT would probably make more financial sense.

FormulaFox · 17 Apr 2016, 03:30 (Ref:3633608)

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Originally Posted by Rcz

You know, they could just get rid of prototypes and just be all GT. Suddenly with all this political crap going with this P class, going GT would probably make more financial sense.

Create Super GT3/New!GT1/whatever you'd prefer to call it and IMSA would have a perfect alternative.

Bob Baldwin · 17 Apr 2016, 03:59 (Ref:3633612)

Super GT3 ? New GT`1 ? I got to lay down my head is spinning

How about FAST Sportscars 1 and Faster Sportscars 2

FormulaFox · 17 Apr 2016, 04:45 (Ref:3633614)

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Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

Super GT3 ? New GT`1 ? I got to lay down my head is spinning

How about FAST Sportscars 1 and Faster Sportscars 2

Do have a seriously better suggestion for a name?

Those are just a couple of names used by people who like the idea of an "upgraded" GT3 like the one that Super GT was supposedly planning when it was rumored they were going to split from the DTM rulebook unification. The names aren't meant to be descriptive or even official-sounding - they're just meant to make clear what someone is talking about.

Nobody is actively developing a concept for such a class(to my knowledge, anyway), but quite a few people(including many a racecar engineer) are quite in favor of the notion of building a higher-tier class using GT3 as a base.

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