The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga - Page 18

TF110 · 17 Oct 2011, 03:18 (Ref:2972399)

Rather Toyota, or some Delta Schwing's? I think they would take a backseat for the biggest car company in the world. If not them, something/someone else. I am speculating when this will be revealed, Tokyo Motor Show?

deggis · 17 Oct 2011, 03:48 (Ref:2972406)

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Originally Posted by AGD

To be seen I suppose, but it could be beneficial to not be part of the championship if that means no testing restrictions and no engine change restrictions.

I disregarded them since they're not known at this point if there even are going to be any.

gwyllion · 17 Oct 2011, 08:50 (Ref:2972498)

FYI Toyota Le Mans Project details (Racecar Engineering)

Very little real/new information, except that they will probably use lithium polymer battery cells and not supercaps.

**joeb** · 17 Oct 2011, 13:26 (Ref:2972658)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

FYI Toyota Le Mans Project details (Racecar Engineering)

Very little real/new information, except that they will probably use lithium polymer battery cells and not supercaps.

Any idea what the first picture in the article is of? It appears to be an LMP engine cover painted in the Toyota colors.

ss_collins · 17 Oct 2011, 13:28 (Ref:2972659)

More details will be in Sport Auto magazine in Germany. I hope they will run it as a Lexus

ss_collins · 17 Oct 2011, 13:31 (Ref:2972661)

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Even if Toyota has to skip Sebring (and if also Spa), would they still apply for full season entry in WEC to get classified in the manufacturer's championship?

not yet decided. But I think they probably will (why not?)

ss_collins · 17 Oct 2011, 13:33 (Ref:2972663)

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@collins, perhaps you heard the engine in the TMG Lexus LS? Maybe there's more to that engine?

No it was small and high revving

ss_collins · 17 Oct 2011, 13:40 (Ref:2972666)

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And I do want to see one all Japanese driver car from Toyota

Not sure you will - but there will be lots of Japanese drivers. I expect Lotterer, Couto, Ara, Ito, Nakajima, Hirate and then a smattering of others, Trulli for Le Mans only would not be a shock, Imperatori, Orime, Saga, and Kunimoto could all get a look in. Also be interesting to see if Kobayashi would get the call - seems outlandish.

Simmi · 17 Oct 2011, 13:56 (Ref:2972671)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

Not sure you will - but there will be lots of Japanese drivers. I expect Lotterer, Couto, Ara, Ito, Nakajima, Hirate and then a smattering of others, Trulli for Le Mans only would not be a shock, Imperatori, Orime, Saga, and Kunimoto could all get a look in. Also be interesting to see if Kobayashi would get the call - seems outlandish.

Can't wait to see the sorts of laptimes these drivers (and the car) can turn.

gttouring · 17 Oct 2011, 17:28 (Ref:2972760)

We have been discussing this at mulsannescorner facebook. I am wary after the toyota F1 and the toyota GTone non event toyota might build big guns and dome makesa good car but toyota spent alot of money got many good people but got little in return for it all. They have some good tech and proven stuff from a previous 24 hour race in the V8 hybrid supra but we will have to see what happens they need an army. More capable like rebellion to take it to the top diesels, maybe try Oreca they did so well with the viper program surely they haven't forgot how to win.??

TF110 · 17 Oct 2011, 20:19 (Ref:2972873)

Toyota have resorces, mainly money- that can persuade people from other teams to join them. Like pit crew, mechanics etc. They're not new to this. They don't need an army, they have paid close attention to LeMans, they also have Rebellion using they're engines. Surely they have confidence, why else would they enter?

DeutschRenn · 17 Oct 2011, 20:35 (Ref:2972887)

Exscuse my barging in here but Andre Lotterer is German not japanese.

Simmi · 17 Oct 2011, 20:40 (Ref:2972890)

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Originally Posted by DeutschRenn

Exscuse my barging in here but Andre Lotterer is German not japanese.

Try telling that to the ACO.

The Badger · 17 Oct 2011, 20:51 (Ref:2972898)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

No it was small and high revving

2L turbo ?

AGD · 17 Oct 2011, 21:10 (Ref:2972914)

The interesting thing about the Racecar Engineering article is that the program is only confirmed for 2012. I don't think many of us expect this to be just a 1 year program, but is it possible that the factory team will run this car for a year or two before making the package a privateer option sold by TMG ala the HPD ARX-01/03?

gwyllion · 17 Oct 2011, 21:14 (Ref:2972916)

A state-of-the-art hybrid system is probably not privateer friendly. For instance, the batteries of F1 KERS systems are very expansive (because of their packaging constraints) and have to be replaced very often.

DeutschRenn · 17 Oct 2011, 21:18 (Ref:2972920)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Try telling that to the ACO.

Andre's listed as japanese? well isnt that silly.

kober · 17 Oct 2011, 21:26 (Ref:2972931)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Try telling that to the ACO.

Even though he's driving with Japanese licence, that might not be enough for Toyota to put him in the all Japanese drivers car (if they'll have such).

AGD · 17 Oct 2011, 21:35 (Ref:2972936)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

A state-of-the-art hybrid system is probably not privateer friendly. For instance, the batteries of F1 KERS systems are very expansive (because of their packaging constraints) and have to be replaced very often.

State of the art or not, privateers are going to have to use useful hybrid systems sooner or later. This just means that the cost of racing in P1 will go up, but maybe teams will still take on the challenge.

Of course, I guess a privateer package could be made without the hybrid or with a milder hybrid. I'm not sure if there would be much interest in that though in 2014 and beyond.

Dead-Eye · 17 Oct 2011, 21:39 (Ref:2972940)

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Originally Posted by DeutschRenn

Andre's listed as japanese? well isnt that silly.

He has a Japanese license.

DeutschRenn · 17 Oct 2011, 21:43 (Ref:2972942)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

He has a Japanese license.

sorry im not sure? do you mean racing license? or drivers license? thats not surprising he lives in japan, and could pass as a japanese for that matter.

deggis · 17 Oct 2011, 22:27 (Ref:2972971)

They should change the way they show the flags on tv. It's just confusing (and not only for the average viewers).

gwyllion · 17 Oct 2011, 22:29 (Ref:2972974)

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Originally Posted by AGD

Of course, I guess a privateer package could be made without the hybrid or with a milder hybrid. I'm not sure if there would be much interest in that though in 2014 and beyond.

In 2014, with the fuel efficiency rules (i.e., completely free engine and hybrid configuration) and the (semi-)commitment of 4 manufacturers (Audi, Peugeot, Porsche, Toyota), LMP1 might become a spending war. So there will probably be very little room for privateers.

deggis · 17 Oct 2011, 22:29 (Ref:2972976)

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Originally Posted by AGD

The interesting thing about the Racecar Engineering article is that the program is only confirmed for 2012. I don't think many of us expect this to be just a 1 year program, but is it possible that the factory team will run this car for a year or two before making the package a privateer option sold by TMG ala the HPD ARX-01/03?

"Initially the programme is only confirmed for the 2012 season"

This will probably be cleared when they announce the other details.

deggis · 17 Oct 2011, 22:37 (Ref:2972982)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Any idea what the first picture in the article is of? It appears to be an LMP engine cover painted in the Toyota colors.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4...G-EV-P001.html

Saw this on another forum, but would have been one my guesses too.

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