My Tracks - Page 18

Lee Janotta · 5 Mar 2003, 21:15 (Ref:526018)

Well, that's why we need this thread back in a high-traffic area, so we can get feedback!

Fish_Flake's are really interesting, though.

pirenzo · 5 Mar 2003, 21:21 (Ref:526026)

Agreed, best thought out, best drawn, best layouts.

Fish_Flake · 5 Mar 2003, 21:52 (Ref:526071)

Why, I'm flattered you to seem to be so concerned with my work. The story is, I sketched the layout from the last turn. I made it to what is Turn 6, and I hit a snag. I didn't know how to start the circuit. I tried first to make a sort of long, parabolic corner at T1, but I decided that it was too predictable and too similar to T12. I then extended the pit straight and went straight past T5 and made a hairpin. I hated that, it ruined the aesthetic value of the circuit. That was my problem: Everything I did to T1 was a right turn. I got to thinking, why can't I turn left? So I did. In case I forgot to mention it, T1 to T3 is all downhill.

pirenzo · 5 Mar 2003, 22:08 (Ref:526080)

I think it's fine Fish.

Here is anothor of mine, it's called...well, i don't know.

Fish_Flake · 5 Mar 2003, 22:16 (Ref:526086)

It would be better counter-clockwise (assuming that the track is clockwise). Not bad, though.

pirenzo · 5 Mar 2003, 22:22 (Ref:526089)

I just did it in two minutes. Problem is, clockwise is kinda standard in Europe, and even more so in the UK, we do everything either back to front, or a mix of the right way, and the wrong way.

Lee Janotta · 6 Mar 2003, 02:32 (Ref:526243)

They'll never get through that hairpin, pirenzo.

Here's my latest, Patriot Park. It's set up in a swampy area north of Boston. Inspiration is from the two greatest club courses in the world, Brands Hatch and Laguna Seca.

A lap of the west course is about 2.3 miles, the east around 1.4. I just can't make truly short courses, I guess.

Fish_Flake · 6 Mar 2003, 02:50 (Ref:526249)

Where do you find those aerial photos, Lee?

Lee Janotta · 6 Mar 2003, 03:50 (Ref:526279)

Mapquest.

pirenzo · 6 Mar 2003, 08:01 (Ref:526371)

They would get round that hairpin. Anyway, i don't see the inspiration from Brands in that. Certainly the end of the lap would be fun, but the first part i think might be a little dull around t4/5/6, but otherwise, its good.

Fish_Flake · 9 Mar 2003, 07:41 (Ref:529755)

This is the Kane County Raceway, on the western edges of the Chicago metropolitan area. This is the fourth (and best) of my proposals for a world-class road circuit near Chicago. The first was a temporary circuit at the Meigs Field airport, which I did not like (although now, I would have extended the track out of the airport and into Grant Park). The second was an all-inclusive, 2.5-mile oval and road course in the suburbs, which I scrapped after learning of the construction of the Chicagoland Speedway (this was in the year 2000). The third was a 2.8-mile road course in Lake County which I called the "Big K," because of its resemblance to the eleventh letter of the alphabet. I finally penned this circuit as a final design.

I planned this as a two-phase track. The first phase is the construction of the 2.34-mile short circuit, which consists of the western half of the circuit. This would lead to the extention of the track past Turn 4 of the short circuit and a relocation of the pits to create the 3.651-mile Grand Prix circuit. The lake seen would be man-made as earth would be taken from the location of the lake to build spectator mounds, elevation changes, etc. As for elevation changes, the front straightaway is flat. The track is slightly banked in Turn 1 (Enzo Ferrari) and flat again in Turn 2. There is a slight climb to Turn 3 (Phil Hill), but the track goes downhill at the exit, and continues its descent through Turns 4 & 5 (Chicane) and into Turn 6 (Colin Chapman). The short pit straight is flat, but some 30 feet below the front straight. Turn 7 (Mark Donahue) is also flat, but the tight Turns 8 & 9 mark the beginnings of a long, gradual incline that continues through the un-straight back straight, until the end of the back straight is 25 feet above the front straight. Turns 10 & 11 (the double-apex East Curve) are slightly banked, as well as downhill, onto the front straight.

pirenzo · 9 Mar 2003, 11:57 (Ref:529924)

excellent

Lee Janotta · 11 Mar 2003, 02:57 (Ref:532347)

I like it aside from the turn 8-9 chicane.

I've experimented with Meigs field too, I can't really do anything with it unless I can get some purpose-built sections out in the grass, there's just not enough airport to work with. I've got a Chicago track further back in the thread, I'm curious what you think of it:

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...145#post450145

Fish_Flake · 11 Mar 2003, 03:35 (Ref:532365)

I knew you'd hate the chicane there.

Anyway, your Chicago track is good.

mac · 11 Mar 2003, 06:52 (Ref:532409)

I'm back guys. And this is my latest effort. It is a re-working of Western Australia's Barbagallo circuit. Currently, Barbagallo hosts V8Supercars, yet everyone is always crying for an upgrade. This is what I'd do:

Extend the main straight, making the first corner tighter, and increasing passing opportunities.

At turn 6, the track will run on for a bit, before a tight left, and another passing opportunity.

The new part of the track then features a fast left-right combination, before a long medium-speed right.

After this is a little straight before a long, fast right, immediately followed by a fast left, then a long medium-fast carousel-style turn.

After this turn, the track joins the old (now longer) straight, down to the last turn and passing spot.

pirenzo · 11 Mar 2003, 08:27 (Ref:532453)

thats a nice extension, fun, and quick

Fish_Flake · 11 Mar 2003, 12:39 (Ref:532579)

It now reminds me of Estoril.

pirenzo · 11 Mar 2003, 13:30 (Ref:532633)

Nice observation Fish, hadn't spotted that, but now you say it, i really does look like Estoril

Lee Janotta · 11 Mar 2003, 13:47 (Ref:532659)

Fantastic job, mac!

pirenzo · 11 Mar 2003, 18:34 (Ref:533013)

Thought i'd do an update. As you probably know, F1 is expanding into the big wide world, at the expense of dome of the european tracks. I really don't Imola to be one of those. But i thought it needed a small overhaul. They were already planning something similar to the last turn, but i thought i'd do a few other things as well. All the chicanes apart from Variante Alte have been eased, one has been removed, the others have been replaced with brand new ones. Tosa to Variante Alte is unchanged, but hopefully the new chicane will lengthen the main straight, and encourage more overtaking into Tamborello. (I was thinking of reinstating a version of the old corner, but i thought that that would never be allowed.

Lee Janotta · 11 Mar 2003, 19:02 (Ref:533078)

Aww man, now why would they want to do that to the end of the lap?

In my personal opinion, there's only really one way to fix Imola:

pirenzo · 11 Mar 2003, 19:08 (Ref:533084)

Too true. I need to get that for GPL. But i think we both know that there is no hope of that, however hard we campaign

Speedworx · 11 Mar 2003, 19:29 (Ref:533103)

I had a go at redesigning Curitiba. Its now much more of an oval shape, which would give great racing.

It could be used for CART and NASCAR.

pirenzo · 11 Mar 2003, 19:38 (Ref:533115)

What did it look like before?

Lee Janotta · 11 Mar 2003, 20:34 (Ref:533153)

Uhm, this is Curitiba, in Brazil.

Not a fan of right-hand turns, are you hakkiman?

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