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Graham Goodwin has talked a fair bit about a Valkyrie programme on TWISC. So it's good to see multiple media outlets with the same sense.
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And there have been multiple reports on the project on DSC in their daily updates. Once there is a full confirmed project I'm sure they'll have the appropriate article an background
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Is a V12 feasible? Their current V12 is approaching 1000bhp? So would they have to use a lower rev limit or air restrictors or something to knock the power down?
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No rev limits on the V12 please!
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It is precisely the rules at present that are driving the change away from large capacity ICEs, and moving further towards hybrid systems involving engines V8 and smaller. Notice the manufacturers at present that have V10s and V12s in their racing inventory, and yet, what do they build with?
Remember, it wasn't until the announcement of LMDh that not only caused a momentum shift in the number of manufacturers to enter, but also made AM pause their LMH program, along with a few others. |
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These, and many otbers, are here or already coming for the same reason: cost effectiveness. This allows for upgrades and increases in to that will more than compensate, without having to make drastic changes. The present outputs are their base, not their limit, which can be raised if called for by the governing bodies. The newer teams/manufacturers will get a good basis to work with, far better than both the back end of LMP1, or for that matter, early LMH. Quote:
Of course some would say that it makes them similar to LMP2s, but they are limited to the output of that Gibson V8, with no hybrid, no turbos, and no aerodynamic or body style changes. while using the "spine" and designing the outer body to the manufacturer's wishes, it makes them more recognizable to the public. Not to mention, less costly. |
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just a simple question:
Is the Aston Valkyria developed by a private team going to be a winner? If that is not the case, then what is the point of a V8 turbo? The Aston Valkyrie with the V12 is the car even if it doesn't win anything, It is the Strawberry on the cake that the WEC needs now!!! Isotta Fraschini...... V6 Turbo.....everyone already has that!!! Are you going to make a winning car? If that is not the case, why not something iconic? winner or not? A V12 is iconic like the Mazda 787b (It had a rotary engine but with a sound similar to the V12)., won Le Mans in 1991 and is more iconic than Audi's 13 victories...... The Ferrari 333 SP is more iconic than Audi's 13 victories...... So for me a Valkyrie without the V12 makes no sense!!! |
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I have the feeling that if the Glikenhaus had had a V12 the car would have sponsors now and would be racing now.
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The rotary does not sound like a V12. V12s sound good. The Mazda was a nice color though.
One thing is certain. If we don’t get a V12 in the series soon it will be dead within a year. And if we do get it they will have to sell diapers at circuits because the fans are going to wet their pants. |
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Ferrari 499P V6 has the same layout as the 296 road car, but the block has different mechanical capabilities as it is fully stressed between the tub and the rear assembly (gearbox+suspension+wheels). It is not the case in the 296. So it is a bespoke racing engine, same at Peugeot, Toyota, Glickenhaus and Vanwall. You can also add Alpine (Mecachrome) and BMW (a DTM racing engine is not a road car engine) to that list. Cadillac case is close to Ferrari : the engine has a famous Chevy layout, but is fully stressed and has a crossplane crankshaft. It is not related to the C8 powerplant. I don't know what is going on at Lamborghini, but all the other hypercars do have racing engines in the engine bay. However, I can agree with you on the cost thing for LMDH (except Cadillac) : manufacturers made their choices with a view on cost efficiency. They selected existing successful racing engines as basis of work to the LMDH regulation. At Acura, they did develop a whole new engine with a plan to use it later in IndyCar, so again with cost management in mind. Which is exactly what the class is all about. |
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Can an NA V12 be competitive against the other drivetrain types when taking into account things like fuel consumption and other factors?
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Absolutely, thanks to the BoP. Remember : engines get homologated once the have gone testing on a bench under the ACO supervision. They know exactly what power, torque and fuel consumption any engine is able to do. That's why even before the 2023 season began, some engines had less max power than others, or less energy available per stint etc... on the BoP tables. Efficient engines (hello Ferrari) get (a bit) penalized by the BoP.
Hence, a 6.0L normally aspirated engine has a chance under the current rules. |
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Interesting article there. I can understand they wouldn’t want to move up to the top class, however I doubt they will get any help from AM considering how much the manufacturer is now focusing on the top class. So it might be trickier for James’ team
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