Formula Saloons Race Cancellation

[R59]

As Garry said, a number of factors have kept the entries away from FS this season. I for one have been handicapped by having too much work, and no time to get the car ready. I thought I'd be back to normal workloads after my hols, but I've just picked up another huge contract to keep me going to October! Damn that money making!

Denis, I keep looking at the Nova and thinking just that, so who knows....

I agree with Garry about the idea of keeping the ST's racing, and surely doctoring FS to accommodate those cars in their own classes would be better than starting yet another new championship. Formula Saloons then grows and lives to fight another decade.

It's a shame that more of the old Thundersaloons won't come out and grace class A. Perhaps the 6litre limit is hurting that?

I should be at Pembrey with 'Harry', it won't be in it's final guise, that's for sure, but it should be running.... (providing I don't kill it testing before hand!)

I then hope to complete the rest of the season, scaring myself silly in the process.

Rob.

[peter thurston]

Garry
I'll be out for the brands,donington,silverstone and thruxton meets with the prelude or escort as i am determined to have it racing again this year also i am being harassed to finish the other v8 escort before the end of july by my customer as he also wants to come and play,Just hope its slower than mine!! Pete

[Garry Holmes]

Again the question of too many race meetings & championships raises its head. IMO, there all saloon classes at club level should fall into either;
1. Roadsaloon / StockHatch - bog standard.
2. ProdSaloon (Int Gp N) Type.
3. Mod Saloons - steel shell, GRPA / BTCC type, is this still a protected reg as per the msa blue book?
4. Supersaloons - silohete type - Suggies old skoda.

This way if you've got a car there is somewhere to run it, also for the spectators its obvious what the cars are. They are what they say - a Modified or Road legal car.

[hawkenr]

Hi Guys, I hope to be out at the Snetterton weekend as our debut then every other race apart from Pembrey (clashes with my 2 year overdue holiday) in our RML Cavalier. We are however struggling a little with the top strut mounts and getting the geomeotry correct. Does anyone please have any pics of underbonnet of an RML Cavalier of 1994 vintage. We simply are trying to ascertain if it has the RML tops (RML are too busy to help).

Please, please if you have anything to help (any and every picture will tell a story) please send to my work email richard.hawken@commerzbankib.com


Kind regards,

Richard

[hawkenr]

Oh and I forgot to mention any set up data that could help. Many empty promises have been made so far.

Thanks again,

Richard

[Stacy]

Originally posted by Denis Bassom
I think it is a shame, despite the fact that they never replicated the old 1600 class.
At least the cars are quick enough to be competitive elsewhere so the owners don't end up with £15-30K's worth of car rusting in a garage.
With a number of series relaxing their regulations (or completely ignoring them!) in order to get cars in I am sure we will see the cars out there.

It is a shame to see any series go, especially one as strong as FS once was.

Personally I suspect the ST series will probably pick up it's own momentum, and the rest of the grid would find a good home on the CTCRC Classic Thunder grid (models marketed prior to 1990) - There are already Sierra Cosworths, and indeed lower capacity classes and it enjoys solid grids at the moment too.

I'm sure the geography of the club racing scene will change over the next few years, but if the end result is larger grids all round I'm not convinced it's necessarily a disaster.

Stacy

[hawkenr]

Anyone know of an official photographer or TV crew attendance for the Super Tourer weekend? or any other media attention in fact? Richard

[carrera]

Top Gear are at Snett to cover Richard Hammond in the Group One race.

[R59]

Quote:
"1. Roadsaloon / StockHatch - bog standard."

Being an ex-(super)RoadSaloon runner - Roadsaloons ain't bog standard. In fact they fit somewhere between ProdSaloons and ModSaloons as internal mods to the engine/transmission were free withing capacity limits.

The difference between the Road and SuperRoad were the latter allowed bigger brakes, and free (type original) induction systems, and up to 1991, all cars had to be driven to and from the circuit.

"2. ProdSaloon (Int Gp N) Type.
3. Mod Saloons - steel shell, GRPA / BTCC type, is this still a protected reg as per the msa blue book?
4. Supersaloons - silohete type - Suggies old skoda."

Suggies old Skoda fitted more into Sports/Silhouettes. Cars like Big & Baby Bertha, were the REAL Supersaloons.

But yes, I agree with all of that.

Take a look at what the SCCA have done, that's more like it.

Identifiable championships, with which are marketable, and successful.

But then, there isn't a situation with lots of different operating clubs, like we have over here.

The BRSCC, BARC, and 750MC need to merge to form one club, and then cull ALL championships, and start from fresh sheet of paper. Hard fact, but the only real solution to move forwards before the whole lot goes bankrupt.

Rob.

[R59]

Garry,

How many have entered for Pembrey to date?


Rob.

[garry]

Unfortunately only you. Doesn't look good for this one either. My brother and I are not going due to finacial reasons. Honestly the only races that look like they will get enough entries is Brands and possibly Donington.

[hawkenr]

Can you please list entries for each class for the Super Tourer weekend and which cars they are driving. Thanks.

[garry]

List is on Touring Car forum under Super Tourer Challenge

[R59]

Ahh well, looks like another Fax to Claire to move my entry to Brands. Gives me more breathing time to get the car right to give that man Wood a run for his money! (ha! more like time for me to break it first!)

I think the event to be held at Brands on the same weekend has scuppered a few entries..

Rob.

[petestenning]

Rob why do 750 need culling? 80 + stock hatches,
full grids of rgbs, kit cars, f vee etc. Only problem for us is too many cars!!!
I know sports 1000 is poorly supported etc and are now amalgamated , that is what is needed in the present climate not more championships , i think we all agree there.
Formula Saloons are great to watch and it is a pity grids have fallen and cancellations made.

Regards
Pete

[R59]

As Benny Hill used to say "Why you no risten!". My master plan is merge the 750MC, BRSCC, and BARC into one club (The BRDC can't be merged as it's not the same kind of organisation).
With that done, cull EVERYTHING, and start from scratch. It is easier to do it that way that sit down and look at what you have already got, and try to make sense out of it all. A bit like going through a pile of documents, and trying to sort out ones to keep, and ones to bin. You always end up with ones that you didn't really need to keep. Start from scratch, and it's more straightforward.

It's an ideal world solution, but this isn't an ideal world.

You can't please all of the people all of the time, however the BRSCC seems to have had a go at it, and now it's coming home to roost.

Even F3 is suffering because there are too many routes to F1 now.

Pete, expect a PM!

Rob.

[R59]

Oh, and by the way....

Pembrey has been canned too!

Though it looks like Brands and Donington will go ahead.

Rob.