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I beleive Mark has a right to defend the allegations the Pizza delivery boy has made but I do beleive he could have worded it better but that could have been a translation thing I guess going from English to Italian & back to English.
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I just think that, even if Mark was right, he shouldn't do this. He would have looked smarter by just keeping his mouth shut or saying "I don't care about Jaguar, I'm a Williams driver now". And I'd like to see Nick teamed up with Webber. Fairly or unfairly, Webber and Pizzonia teamed up once already, I think Nick in a quick car would be a lot more interesting.
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I assume the lot of you saying how 'disappointed' you are in Webber are also people who don't complain that the drivers are gagged these days.
I don't know what the problem is, it was child's play compared to other stuff we have seen in the past. Williams are used to this kind of stuff anyway, after Jones and Reuteman, Rosberg and Mansell, Piquet and Mansell, Mansell vs the Team.... The fact is if the two of them were given different equipment at Jaguar, it wouldn't have happened until they were into the season, why would they have shafted Pizzonia right from the start if he was the quicker one? And isn't it natural, considering the size of their budget, to concentrate on the quicker driver. One fast (ish) car is better than two average one's |
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What's going on?? I thought i replied to this thread......?
maybe the new design had me pressing a wrong button Anyway It looks just like mark is getting thoroughly tired of pizzonia repeating this stuff.Maybe mark felt sorry for him in the past and didn't want to comment? Now that AP is trying to get into a race seat at williams perhaps MW is drawing the line! He just doesn't want a slow guy holding the team up One thing i must say-the oft repeated quote of jag saying that they didn't treat pizzonia very well had nothing to do with cars! They were refering to the loose talk that went on regarding AP's lack of performance |
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On other sites particularly, I have read some very negative comments about MW but always took them with a grain of salt. Now, I wonder if there is some substance to the venom. Pizzo did a lot of complaining in the past, but it was against Jag, not MW. It shouldn't matter anyway; I think Williams will go with Nick, and if so, I will be cheering for him. If I'm wrong and Pizzo gets the ride, then I'm afraid it's too late to avoid another bitter team rivalry at Williams.
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I hardly call Mark 'backed into a corner'. He can prove himself next year -whatever he says, he'll be up against Pizzonia in either racing or testing, and he should be in competitive car. He'd be much wiser to allow people without the facts to argue them out ad nauseum for 3 months, and getting to Melbourne refreshed, prepared and well-placed to prove his view that they're wrong.
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yer but boots your not in his posisition maybe thats how he feels ? i dont know im just trying to think why he would say what he has.
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Well, I'd rather not get into an argument about whether the british press is better or worse than the italian one because everyone is entitled to his own opinion. As usual there are worthy and unworthy members in every family and it is not really interesting if our focus is motor racing.
That said, as a racer I look at the facts : 1) Webber and Pizzonia have won nothing up to now and they had better drive and prove something than talk. 2) The second Jaguar car has never been competitive. 3) While Pizzonia might not be the best F1 driver by my standards, I have to admit that as soon as he was out of Jaguar and back to Williams, he was immediately quick and competitive. |
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5 Dec 2004, 23:34 (Ref:1171805) | #39 | |
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The thing about Pizzonia's hostility towards Jag is that at the start of 2003, the two of them would have been treated equally. If anything, I thought Pizzonia may have the edge.
Now, IF Webber did receive favourable treatment (and I'm not necessarily saying he did), then he had to win it ...... and he did that by consistently being faster than his teammate. |
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True Mac. We often hear from many drivers 'the other guy has better stuff than me" and I always think of the same question.
If thats true, why? I think almost every team favours one driver over another. It has to happen, one out performs the other (mostly) and the team want to get behind the driver that can bring home results. Again, this does'nt reflect well on Antonio. That said, I believe after a few races Jag did realise Mark was the lead man (they were both signed on with identicle salaries and contracts IIRC) and put the focus on him. There is no doubt Antonio is quick. Frank Williams knows drivers as well as anyone. IMO, AP just was'nt ready for a race seat when he got to jag, and it showed. Had he teamed up with Klien, this may be a whole different story. And Williams still rate Antonio highly, in fact Sam Michael suggested it was one of the reasons Mark got their attention. They could'nt believe Mark blew him away because they knew how fast Pizza was. Anyway, more testing for Antonia IMO, and hopefully Nick will get the ride. |
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3) While Pizzonia might not be the best F1 driver by my standards, I have to admit that as soon as he was out of Jaguar and back to Williams, he was immediately quick and competitive. So getting his pants pulled down at the German GP by Webber in a far inferior car being quick and competitive?? Did Pizzonia complain that day about Webber having better equipment?? I don't think so! I can understand where people are coming from and I must say I was a little shocked to hear this from Mark....However, I would be pretty p***ed off too if someone had said I only beat him because I had the better of the equipment! I hope Pizzonia does get the drive and then gets completely distroyed by Mark. |
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I hope Pizzonia gets the drive, is really quick and pushes Webber to new heights.
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If Jaguar were going to favour one driver it would have been Pizzonia, one of the star Williams testers and he even came with a glowing recommendation from Frank himself. Webber on the other hand was a highly rated F1 newbie coming from Minardi.
Pizzonia spitting feathers about Jaguar fielding inferior cars for him is just sour grapes plain and simple. |
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Is this the Pizzonia quote's Webber responded to? or have I missed some other statements from Pizzonia?
I can't see that Pizzonia is attacking Webber in any way, he just says that he feels the people at Williams treats him better than the people at Jaguar, then he says something about the cars that most people agrees with and he even explains the reason why Jaguar would make unequal cars. I don't understand why Webber would go out and call Pizzonia a liar and a looser, we all know Mark is fast, he's got his Williams seat, it just sounds like such an overreaction compared to what Pizzonia said... And a very late reaction too.. It would be nice to know what the journalist actually asked Webber, 'cos now he just looks like a spoiled kid who's jumping on the kid who didn't even get to play for a full season. His comments would make more sense if we knew the questions were along the lines of that Webbers car was massively better than Pizzonia at all times or that Jaguar intentionaly made Pizzonias car slower to make Mark look better. |
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As I said initially, the whole story sounds like BS to me.
I've also noticed none of the more reputable sites have picked it up. Another sign of an 'invented' story. I find it hard to believe MW would say all this to the Italian press, when all his Aussie and British interviews have said nothing like that. Sucked a few in though did'nt it |
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MW is always diplomatic..
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i find this odd, if F1 drivers say nothing they are called boring and its not good for F1. Soon as an F1 driver gives an opinion that has not been through the PR department he is vilified.
Im not particularly a Weber fan even though im from .au, but I am just glad that finally there are a few people who can liven up F1 outsite the racetrack. If they all said nothing in the off season what would ten-tenths people have to talk about ? Remember, you can't have your cake and eat it too. dave. |
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