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I wouldn’t be surprised if both are dropped
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19 Jul 2019, 18:24 (Ref:3918513) | #30 | |
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I think Jan's kid is safe for 2020, beyond that?? He might have to acknowledge sportscars will be his future, or Indy like the rest of the F1 midfield.
Hulk might be in the same position but think I've heard positive things about his setup and car feeling reporting, with the new rules posited about car-to-pit information that may be more important and save his seat as a #2. But then some of the new kids might be as good and not have the baggage of his race history, easier when it's season 1 or 2 and no podium than multiple years later. |
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I can see absolutely no benefit to anyone at Mercedes with Ocon replacing Bottas (apart from Ocon). Right now I don't think there is any reason other than sentiment towards Ocon to justify it, and when did sentiment last dictate who got a plum F1 seat?
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21 Jul 2019, 18:12 (Ref:3918741) | #34 | |
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Yeah, without a concrete commitment from Lewis to move on after 2020 it would be insane to add that dynamic to the team and definitely against Toto's all is well management style. Think Ocon is the odd man out and might have to hope Ferrari or Renault want to come calling and he can get released.
When is Max's contact with Red Bull up? I'm sure they'll at the very least make it close to impossible for anyone else to sign him when the deal is up. Ferrari already has their guy in Leclerc, adding the guy who he's scrapped with already on track will not be good for team dynamic. Renault doesn't seem to have the cash or willingness to pay so it would seem like Mercedes and Red Bull would be bidding against each other only. Only asking because that could determine this year's off season market, can't get tied up with long deal if the driver you want could be available. It does feel like Grosjean is definitely on the hot seat, Vettel is the big driver of the off-season. Can teams wait for Vettel to decide and can Ferrari wait for him? Can't have that seat open although I'm sure they could bring back Kimi or bring up Giovinazzi so they're aren't too bad off. Makes it feel like this year is the mid race setup, each team feeling out the flow and possibly not much action. |
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I think Ferrari can wait, unless they have already decided that they don't want Vettel/Leclerc for 2020.
AFAIK Vettel still has a contract so unless they decide they no longer want him, they will assume he will be back. I think Ferrari realize they will not be able to lure Hamilton or Verstappen for 2020 anyway. Should Vettel decide at the last minute he's had enough, they can always offer a 1 year contract to the one that misses out on a Renault seat (Ricciardo/Hulkenberg/Ocon), or even Kvyat (was their test/reserve driver), Giovinazzi, Raikkonen. Or Perez. Or Bottas if he'd be out at Mercedes. A 1 year contract, if he surpasses expectations you can keep him, otherwise go for a higher-profile driver or one of your juniors (Schumacher/Shwartzman/Armstrong/... who else) -- a lot can happen in a year (and a half) |
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2020 Broadrun, although reportedly there's a performance clause providing Max an early out:
Max Verstappen manager confirms clause, drops hint Red Bull star could leave for Mercedes [d. 29 Jun 2019] "Verstappen signed a new deal with Red Bull two years ago, running until 2020. But he could potentially leave a year earlier, according to Spanish publication Marca. The report states Verstappen has a performance-based clause in his contract which says if the 21-year-old fails to win a race by the Hungarian Grand Prix then he would be able to begin speaking with other teams about a possible move for next season. And Vermeulen has confirmed the Dutch driver has such a clause in his contract, although he refused to give any details on what that included." Contract clauses won't decide Verstappen's future - Horner [d. 10 Jul 2019] |
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I think that’s very clever of his management to add in that get out clause. No use losing your best years if don’t have a car to win the title
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If the "get out" clause is "fails to win a race by Hungary" then that one has gone by now, hasn't it?
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As to Verstappen and a potential RBR exit. Who knows what his contract actually says, but lets say the reports are true and that the escape clause is void given his recent win. As mentioned above, he may be locked in for 2020 and yet, there may not be any better rides being available anyhow (at least, not yet), he may be quite happy where he is... for 2020. However, the 2021 driver market may be much more exciting. Richard |
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i admit to having selfish (and overly optimistic) reasons but i would like to see him stay with RBR for the long haul.
if some of the proposed rules come into effect in 2021 forward then who knows, but the prospect of a more equal play ground with LH finishing out his career at Merc, Leclerc at Ferrari, Max at RBR, Ric at Renault, Norris at Mclaren... i dont know if the clowns can make it happen but to me such a spread competing in (more) evenly match machinery feels like there is a potential golden age on the horizon. |
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Of course it would be better if more cars were competitive, then it wouldn’t matter so much who went there and having top drivers in different cars would add to the spectacle
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This is a bit of interesting speculation; Vettel may go back to RBR, which would the trigger shifts all over the driver market.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...-driver-market Honda could well stump up the big money to retain Vettel as they did with Senna. Don't know what the team dynamic would look like between Vettel and Max. Interesting hypothetical. When is Max out of contract? |
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I have seen stranger things happen. Still it would really be a turn up for the books if Seb went back to RBR. Suddenly the whole driver market would be all over the place
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Vettel's return to RBR would be crazy but not out of the realm of something Herr Marko would try. I'm guessing there would be no chance of extension from Max then though. You would have to think he would want the option of any of the big 3 seats if Hamilton decided to retire and well Ferrari doesn't seem like they'd be against 2 big drivers, it could be a disaster or an insanely dominant season.
Either way if that happens with Vettel you will notice the internet slowing with every reporter, blogger and forum seeing traffic records. |
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This is not being reported everywhere because I think it's just rumor, but supposedly...
* Ocon to Renault (replace Hulkenberg) * Bottas to remain at Mercedes https://f1i.com/news/351590-esteban-...t-renault.html Richard |
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if the move to Haas rumour part is true then thats a move i would like to see happen before the end of the season...i would like to see what the Hulk can do with this year's Haas.
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If Vettel goes to ride the Bull that means the rumours I heard may be true that Kimi will go back to Ferrari.
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I think Hulk would be a safer pair of hands at Haas than their two current drivers
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I have always assumed the KR never left Ferrari and it was just a secondment to Alfa which left his return possible if the need arose.
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