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However, there is a loophole I forgot to mention earlier: my motorhome is taxed as 'private heavy goods', but under tacho rules it is classed as a 'living van' and is therefore exempt (I have no idea how a 'living van' is defined by VOSA or whether a truck with some bunks and a primus stove in the back would qualify). This puts me in the ludicrous position of not needing a tacho for a combination of around 9 tonnes & 16 metres long, but if I pull my trailer with a Transit (c. 4 tonnes GCW), I do. There's another big however, and I don't think anyone has mentioned this on this thread yet- I do need an HGV licence (minimum C1+E) to drive this outfit, and so does anyone pulling a car + trailer behind a 7.5 tonner . Gawd, what a boring thread! |
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agree with above, glad you remembered the motorcaravan exemption; as to HGV, you must be a youngster, if you have a car licence before 1jan97 then you have B+E and C1+E automatically so no HGV needed, as I said in post #19. |
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You even need a test to tow a car trailer now(not everybody knows that) As has been said its whoever interprets the law, If you get stopped by the police it can be a whole minefield as I found out several years ago for allegedly being too heavy on the GTW. I fought the case with the help of a mate who is a top brief and won and was awarded costs !
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Don't forget that anyone who took their test before 1997 will have to take the trailer test once their licence comes up for renewal.
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Just looked at my licence (issued 1974) and I have the C1, C1E, D1 and D1E permits as stated above. Alongside each is a code:
C1E - 107 = Not over 8250kgs (as above D1 - 101 = Not for hire or reward (also see above!) D1E - 101, 119. 119 = Weght limit does not apply Does that mean I can tow a Chieftain tank behind my minibus? If I had one? John |
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Although the DVLA leaflets are not clear, they do say, (if you read it carefully), that not only upon reaching the age of 70 years, but also on the RENEWAL OF A DRIVING LICENCE, ( the first of the photo card ones are now starting to expire), unless you apply for, and pass a medical examination, you will lose driving licence classes C1, C1+E, D1 D1+E.
This means that, unless you apply and pass the medical, you will lose small lorry (7.5 tonner), Minibus of 9 to 16 passenger seats AND trailer combinations over 3,500 Kgm MAM (Max. Authorised Mass). This will include many larger caravans and most horse trailers with 4x4 combinations. They are trying their best to get us off the road!!!! |
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As this dull, dull, dull thread has now breached the 3 page barrier this is obviously an area of great concern - could we ask someone at the MSA to run an article in the mag to give us definitive answers to all these questions? Glancing round the average paddock, I doubt if half the transport is compliant. Or would that be inviting VOSA to take an interest?
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I think this is closest to the actuality of the situation. My DAF 45/160 7.5 tonner statistics are as follows: Gross vehicle weight: 7490kg, Gross train Weight: 10990kg, these are on the ex MOD docs from time of purchase when I shipped it to Ireland. Vehicle is plated accordingly in both Ireland & UK. Now I am back living here & will shortly register it. When registering in Ireland I was obliged to put the truck on a weighbridge, weight 3820kg. I have now added a tail lift, so this, together with car 550 kg, various spares & equipment, say 250kg, driver/passenger 140kg, I will be well under the 7490kg GVW. Always believed that my C1E licence allowed 7.49 tonnes for the truck and 3 tonnes for a trailer, so must check this trailer allowance - is this on the licence info sheet? Must also check on the big test at 70, but at that time I am hoping to have my man to do all the heavy work and driving. Tacho fitted, but no needed for a private HGV - so I am advised. Not for hire or reward sign is not compulsory, but I would recommend. I have been advised to avoid any signage which might create the impression of a commercial operation & attract attention for 'Operator Licence'. VOSA are becoming quite vigilant and as someone else stated, there are many non compliant vehicles in the paddocks. We need firm guidelines here. |
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I think the trailer you can tow with a 7.5 ton vehicle without needing a licence upgrade is 750Kg gross weight, so total train weight of 8.25 tons.
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After reading all this I think I need to have a lie down.Thank god I have an HGV and don't need to worry about all this.
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I think the best plan ( and certainly the one I pursue) is to keep the stickers off the truck, maintain a low profile and plough on. |
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How about, ""Equipe NotForHireOrReward Racing"?
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We've been through this towing regs n licence thing on various threads over the years,. Lots of people break the law every day without realising it, and if the law decided to have a clamp down they could probably find all sorts of illegal maladies with weekend towing vehicles. The real problem comes if you are involved in an accident as the insurers will drop you like a hot potato if anything is brought to light.
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