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So it seems, but only for the first two seasons - 1984 and 1985.
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Here's a link to the Nürburgring 24h-site: http://adac.24h-rennen.de/
Check out their "Archiv" under 1982-1992 for the 1984 edition of the race. Niedzwiedz/Doering/Gartmann retired their Ringshausen-Mustang - there's even a picture of the car. I guess the drivers must be Klaus Niedzwiedz/Helmut Döring/Dieter Gartmann. Jesper |
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This is Reinhold Gröpper at Bergischer Löwe, Zolder, March 30th (the race date), 1986. Since he's not among the starters, this picture must be from a practice, qualifying session or warm-up session. Jesper |
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does anyone have anymore info/pics/links on these cars???
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Just discovered yet another DTM 'stang. Heinz Becker appeared for two rounds of the 1991 season (but non-started) with a Gronemeyer entry.
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One of the New Zealand Mustangs has recently been restored. Its the first of two Pinepac sponsored cars, and was originally built in Australia and raced by Bo Seton and Don Smith. It debuted in 1984 before Bruce Anderson purchased it and imported it to New Zealand, where it was repainted yellow.
Its now been fully restored, and looks like it might have been sold back to Australia, where historic Group A racing is very popular. There is some info here: http://www.nzmustang.com/History/Racecars/pinepac1.htm |
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haven't seen any mentioning of Kevin Clark yet. According to this adress http://www.members.tripod.com/motors...80s_page_1.htm he finished 4th in the Australian Endurance Championship round at Surfers Paradise on October 27 1985. What is the story about this car and driver?
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He has/had a Mustang sports sedan, there's every possibility that the two cars are one & the same - if so that'd be a shame...
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They were/are the same car.
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BTW, I was viewing the Duke '83 ETCC review on VHS last night (nice little summary) and I have to say that Dave Cook Mustang pedalled by Vince Woodman was right up there towards the end of the season.
Certainly at Zolder's last round it was battling with the Jag's, Rover's and Bee-ems in a terrific 6-7 car scrap at the front!! Why on earth didn't DCR/Woodman/Ford persevere with it and run a 2 car team in '84?? Surely with a prep firm like Cook's and drivers like Woodman and the Martin brothers (perhaps even Gordon Spice might have been interested) they would have been a force to be reckoned with? I wonder if it was Belga withdrawing backing or Ford politics that stymied the Mustang's Grp A chances in Europe? |
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I can probably answer half of my question!
The Sierra is probably something to do with it. Ford wouldn't have ploughed money into a Mustang project (which was a car with only limited Ford marketing appeal in Europe being an American machine) when Sierra, a pukka European car was about to embark on an illustrious racing career. The BMW GB BTCC effort of '84 is probably the other reason, but did Clark and Cook do the BMW deal before the Mustang programme was aborted or afterwards I wonder? |
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On the other hand, the Sierra's career started as late as october 1985 in the ETCC - and the car was nothing else than a rebadged American Merkur XR4 TI.
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I spoke in racing terms - there was no turbocharged 4 cilinder Sierra on the market in Europe at the time (the fastest Sierra was the 6 cilinder atmo XR4i) - but there was one in the States. Of course, the origins of the Sierra/Merkur are from Europe.
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I think Ford GB were interested to see if the Capri's life could be prolonged for Group A as the Rovers, which were already stretching the Capri's competitiveness in Grp 1, were about to step up a further level with the Vitesse. However, at that TT the 2.8 Grp A test dummy was about 1.5-2 secs off of the older 3-litre engine pace and didn't inspire much confidence. I doubt one race and limited testing was sufficient to write it off totally (although I don't know how many testing miles Ford/CC/Rouse spent on the engine before racing it) which I never understood, as the 2.8 Celica Supra was made to go very well, but it was highly likely as we've said to to with Sierra politics - 'forget highly stressed V6 in an old car, let's wait for the Turbo in our new car' However, as you say Frank, the Sierra Merkur Turbo wasn't running until mid '85 in Britain and Europe, so between the end of the Capri and the start of the Sierra there was a gap of almost 3 years, which would have been plenty of time to get the Mustang working properly even as a privateer effort with some factiory support, without impinging on the Sierra fanfare. Makes you wonder why they didn't bother when the potential was there? |
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http://www.rgracing.co.uk/Team_History.htm
This link says that the CC Racing Mustang of '83 was bought by German Reinhold Gröpper for '84. Looking at the picture on the site, the colour scheme makes sence, as it's painted blue where it used to be red. Jesper |
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I have some on my webpage http://www.hollywoodwebworks.com/
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It even gives the entry list, full result and the first 10 on the grid...
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...and give Ruedi Eggenberger as the entrant of Chevy Camaro!: http://www2.motorsport-total.com/dtm...ries.php?d=106. Obviously this site is not perfect, but more comprehensive than the official DTM site.
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For Sale.... ex-Anderson Bros Ford Mustang, complete with Bathurst history, and at one time, a DJR tickled powerplant
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Ruch Mustang in DTM
Not sure of the year, but it was when the Alfa 155 was dominant in DTM (1993-4?). I have a video of the season review, and at Norisring (short track, but with two long straights before and after the hairpin), Nicola Larini took three laps to 'lap' Ruch. He was able to outbreak the Mustang into the tight corner on each of those three laps, but be overtaken again on the following straight. The sideways in-car footage from the Larini car clearly shows the Italian looking across in amazement at Ruch, the first time it blasted past him. Priceless!
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