Nickle and a Dime GP in England - Page 2

chunder · 22 Jun 2007, 12:46 (Ref:1944237)

I agree about Sheene actually, but he saw in the Aussies what I say and thats not necessairly anymore talent than British riders, but more drive and determination.

I cant believe that we havent got a Doohan, Rainey or Schwantz in the UK somewhere, but we have got riders that have come to the sport and not had the drive to really make it work, I know of many riders who ahve given up eiethr through lack of money or a circumstance change.

BAyliss was very wild when he first came over and wasnt a regular winner til the second year, same as Richards and Vermuelen. Chris was good but no better than Moodie and Crawford, dont think he actually ever won a SS race over here.

But because SHeene was there and getting them exp[osure they get the breaks, yes they worked for them, but there is clearly a certain rose tinted glasses thing about Aussie riders in world racing.

Its to their credit that the situaiton is like that, but I dont think theya re any more talaneted than us, Italians or Spanish, not anymore anyway, maybe 10 years ago, but not anymore.

jhansen · 22 Jun 2007, 14:35 (Ref:1944307)

Combined first day times:

1. Casey Stoner (B) 1min 43.749 secs *
2. Nicky Hayden (M) 1min 43.781 secs *
3. Dani Pedrosa (M) 1min 43.870 secs
4. Randy de Puniet (B) 1min 44.302 secs *
5. Chris Vermeulen (B) 1min 44.371 secs
6. Colin Edwards (M) 1min 44.475 secs
7. Anthony West (B) 1min 44.498 secs
8. John Hopkins (B) 1min 44.716 secs
9. Marco Melandri (B) 1min 45.684 secs
10. Valentino Rossi (M) 1min 45.718 secs
11. Alex Barros (B) 1min 45.774 secs *
12. Alex Hofmann (B) 1min 46.254 secs *
13. Toni Elias (B) 1min 46.777 secs *
14. Loris Capirossi (B) 1min 46.811 secs
15. Shinya Nakano (M) 1min 46.926 secs
16. Carlos Checa (M) 1min 47.027 secs *
17. Kurtis Roberts (M) 1min 48.464 secs
18. Sylvain Guintoli a (D) 1min 49.604 secs *
19. Makoto Tamada (D) 1min 51.864 secs *

* denotes best time set in FP1.

jhansen · 22 Jun 2007, 14:39 (Ref:1944311)

Yeah baby, three Americans in the Top 10!

In your face!

Oh wait, it's only friday...

Gerben24 · 22 Jun 2007, 14:52 (Ref:1944320)

Rossi 1.3 seconds slower than his teammate, a DISGRACE! I wonder if he keeps his seat in 2008...

Oh wait, it's only friday...

Taz Q2 · 23 Jun 2007, 00:41 (Ref:1944686)

Good to see Nicky finally going well, but go Casey.

Interesting comments there Chunder, i was always of the impression that if you are near or at the front of the pack then that would denote some sort of talent, & if you are not then you were'nt. ( i can see the worms wriggling )

Talent the way i see it, is being able to overcome adversity in any situation & keep it all together whilst maintaining a slight advantage over you're competitor no matter what the situation, & although it may be a slight advantage it's still what makes people take notice of what you are doing.

That is why the Aussie rider has been so prolific over the last twenty years or so, the platform was laid down with gardner, & followed suit by the rest of them & most Aussie riders know what they have to do to get to the top, they have so much to live up to so they just do not give up until that has occured, & that my friend is what breeds talent & from a ( personal Aussie veiw point ) seems to be what is lacking amongst English riders, & my point is weighted up severly with you're WSBK rider the other day stating " I'm not going to MotoGP unless it's with a Factory Team " that attitude is going to do him no good if he does get into GP & finds himself the second rider in a team, their will be no end to the whinging.

It honestly seems as though the Englsh riders just have to toughen up a bit ole mate.

All spoken with tongue in cheek.

Ryan_Briscoe1 · 23 Jun 2007, 08:38 (Ref:1944797)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

There is nothing like a bad winner!

yes there is, a sore loser

chunder · 23 Jun 2007, 08:42 (Ref:1944801)

Not really a sore loser mate, just get fed up watching teams fall over themselves to employ Aussies.

Yes its because theya re good, but you ahvd to admit that managers have rose tinted specs when it comes to you lot.

I mean some of them arent that good but still got rides, like Richards, McCarthy,Willis and a few others.

It used to be the same with AMericans, but not anymore remember.

Ryan_Briscoe1 · 23 Jun 2007, 08:43 (Ref:1944802)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhansen

Yeah baby, three Americans in the Top 10!

In your face!

Oh wait, it's only friday...

lol

bestfit · 23 Jun 2007, 08:58 (Ref:1944808)

Quote:

Not really a sore loser mate, just get fed up watching teams fall over themselves to employ Aussies.

Oh! So it is not the riders you have a beef against, it's the teams.
That hasn't been made obvious in your posts of late.

ozrevhead · 23 Jun 2007, 09:46 (Ref:1944823)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Not really a sore loser mate, just get fed up watching teams fall over themselves to employ Aussies.

Yes its because theya re good, but you ahvd to admit that managers have rose tinted specs when it comes to you lot.

I mean some of them arent that good but still got rides, like Richards, McCarthy,Willis and a few others.

It used to be the same with AMericans, but not anymore remember.

Simple answer is that Aussies are willing to work harder

Schummy · 23 Jun 2007, 12:21 (Ref:1944873)

Aussie riders cheat.

From very young age they are used to ride upside down, obviously with very small grip. So when they go to Britain they are massively more prepared to ride bikes in the limit.

It is lucky that penguins don't ride bikes, otherwise Antarctica would have many World titles.

I know this theory makes this as the most brilliant post in this (otherwise lame

) thread, except jhansen's post about 3 Americans in the first 10, that was a top post. Ok, every post from Gerben has been very good as well. And I don't want to forget every post from the Aussies, they have been very clever everyone of them... Damn... now I realize my post is the poorest one in the whole thread (except possibly chunder's ones

).

So, finally I think I'm not going to post this pitiful thing. Yes, I'm going to push the "Cancel" button now... Aaaaghh, I pushed the "Post Quick Reply" button!!

(Post sponsored by Jack Daniels)

ozrevhead · 23 Jun 2007, 12:24 (Ref:1944877)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schummy

Aussie riders cheat.

From very young age they are used to ride upside down, obviously with very small grip. So when they go to Britain they are massively more prepared to ride bikes in the limit.

It is lucky that penguins don't ride bikes, otherwise Antarctica would have many World titles.

I know this theory makes this as the most brilliant post in this (otherwise lame

) thread, except jhansen's post about 3 Americans in the first 10, that was a top post. Ok, every post from Gerben has been very good as well. And I don't want to forget every post from the Aussies, they have been very clever everyone of them... Damn... now I realize my post is the poorest one in the whole thread (except possibly chunder's ones

).

So, finally I think I'm not going to post this pitiful thing. Yes, I'm going to push the "Cancel" button now... Aaaaghh, I pushed the "Post Quick Reply" button!!

(Post sponsored by Jack Daniels)

GOLD!

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2007, 12:25 (Ref:1944880)

bradley smith in p2 with 10 mins remaining in 125cc qualifying...

BootsOntheSide · 23 Jun 2007, 12:27 (Ref:1944881)

Surprising that they don't do so well in Formula One, considering that aerodynamically you can drive those cars along a roof....

The only consolations for UK fans is the success of our riders in World Superbikes, and the prestige of our domestic Superbike series. Grand Prix has been a tougher nut to crack.

ozrevhead · 23 Jun 2007, 12:38 (Ref:1944891)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomick

bradley smith in p2 with 10 mins remaining in 125cc qualifying...

will start from 9th - Pasini beat Corsi for pole

10min to go...

ozrevhead · 23 Jun 2007, 13:05 (Ref:1944910)

Casey and Vale already trading fastest laps!

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2007, 13:31 (Ref:1944916)

and ant west in 18th

- was always a better racer than qualifier

18mins ta go - casey from vale...

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2007, 13:36 (Ref:1944919)

5 manufacturer's in the top 5 with 14mins ta go

- go randy...

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2007, 13:42 (Ref:1944924)

9mins ta go - rossi goes fastest by 4 tenths, nicky up to 3rd

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2007, 13:45 (Ref:1944929)

edwards up to p2 - yamaha 1st & 2nd

... 5 ta go - the fun is about to start

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2007, 13:51 (Ref:1944933)

edwards got the pole from rossi & pedrosa

hayden, stoner & hopkins on row 2...

ozrevhead · 23 Jun 2007, 13:54 (Ref:1944934)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomick

edwards got the pole from rossi & pedrosa

hayden, stoner & hopkins on row 2...

2nd row doesn't worry me

according to live timing, Casey only did six laps....that worries me

Nado · 23 Jun 2007, 13:58 (Ref:1944938)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozrevhead

2nd row doesn't worry me

according to live timing, Casey only did six laps....that worries me

Yeah I was a bit worried about that, but I think what it meant is that Stoner's best lap was on lap 6, and he did 21 laps.

ozrevhead · 23 Jun 2007, 14:00 (Ref:1944940)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nado

Yeah I was a bit worried about that, but I think what it meant is that Stoner's best lap was on lap 6, and he did 21 laps.

that makes more sense now...

he can win it from there no doubt!

Dani Filth · 23 Jun 2007, 14:02 (Ref:1944942)

he did his best lap on lap 6 of 21 .. he did many laps in the low 29s though which might be race pace

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