Big Improvers since 2002 - Page 2

Freddie · 3 Jul 2003, 09:41 (Ref:650578)

Yeah Jinxxy, where are you when we need you?

racingdick · 3 Jul 2003, 09:49 (Ref:650583)

he doesn't know either

JR Ewing · 3 Jul 2003, 09:49 (Ref:650584)

I think there's questions about 'remanufacturing' and which oil is in his compared to standard. Don't forget Spax is the family firm as well...

Mr Jinxx · 3 Jul 2003, 10:01 (Ref:650592)

It doesn't sound quite right to me. Last year, Fortec had only 2 quick cars as well. The others weren't on the pace. When necessary, it seemed that they were able to make their drivers go quickly. Pat Long struggled in Renaults a bit, given his experience, but he went to Fortec, was suddenly very quick and won a race (Snett?), then the cynic in me says he paid his money, and then the 2 quick cars/components/engineer/whatever reverted to Green/Watts. Same with Katherine Legge. Never looked likely to trouble the podium, came to Fortec needing publicity desperately (funding was about to stop, I believe) and unbelievably put it on pole at Oulton Park. I don't understand. I can't believe they are using illegal parts, I like to think they have found an edge. If you watch the cars closely, 2 Fortecs cars and Hamiltons car all seem to "squat", to be really compliant over bumps (eg that fast accelerating/flat bumpy right hander after the chicane at Croft(?). Wherever the car needs to get its back end down without bogging. No other cars seem to be able to do this. And that's why I say it can't be illegal stuff, cos I don't believe they would persevere with it - and if dampers are so obvious a means of getting great improvements, as people say they are, then it would be the first thing the scrutineers would seal up and send off, ages ago. So it has to be an engineering advantage. So how come other quick drivers in Fortec (Scott) and Manor (Jiminez) aren't consistently in the top set? I really don't understand.

Freddie · 3 Jul 2003, 10:10 (Ref:650602)

I would have suggested it was down to the engineer but Conway and Rossiter have different engineers at Fortec. Paul Jackson on Conway's car and Mark Godwin on Rossiter's. Maybe they are just the 2 quicker drivers giving better feedback to the tam and therefore have a better set-up car. The reason is simple at Manor, Hamilton has a much bigger budget and has 100% attention to detail. The others don't.

waspy · 3 Jul 2003, 10:22 (Ref:650612)

Quote:

Originally posted by JR Ewing
Is there some conspiracy/cover up going on here?

Cover up? Do you think that sort of thing goes on in Renault?

Mr Jinxx · 3 Jul 2003, 10:44 (Ref:650646)

Rob Scott is a quick driver - there is no way, on driving alone, that he is slower than Conway and Rossiter. Certainly not by the margin this year. I was going to suggest engineer as well, but if they have different engineers, then that scuppers that idea

Freddie · 3 Jul 2003, 11:05 (Ref:650678)

I was thinking the same. I think it is a lot to do with mental attitude and whether you feel happy with the team/car/set-up/class you are racing in. if you are not happy, it is a downward spiral which is worth tenths at a time.

Rob Scott is quick I agree but does not seem focussed this year and has never really shown what he can do even in testing. This is the difference between a racer and a racing driver, as Jenson would say.

Dr Venom · 3 Jul 2003, 11:35 (Ref:650720)

Oh dear here we go again............!

ukracing · 3 Jul 2003, 11:54 (Ref:650751)

Quote:

Originally posted by JR Ewing
Any news updates on Rossiter's impounded dampers from Rockingham yet?

The MSA Scrutineer was on holiday last week, so the dampers didn't get inspected hence the delay. If you've seen any of the photos of the cars airborn, you wouldn't be suprised that there were damper problems!

ukracing · 3 Jul 2003, 11:58 (Ref:650752)

Mr Jinxx, I heard that Motaworld have recently been playing around a lot more with their damper settings?

Freddie · 3 Jul 2003, 12:00 (Ref:650754)

Dr Venom, was that aimed at me and if so, why?

No 4 · 3 Jul 2003, 12:02 (Ref:650758)

uk racing - I believe Mike Spencer is not happy with the back-end set up of his car. Could this be related to your damper point?

Dr Venom · 3 Jul 2003, 12:20 (Ref:650784)

Quote:

Originally posted by Freddie
Dr Venom, was that aimed at me and if so, why?

Sorry freddie, i failed to notice there was another page, my comment was for the damper thing that you posted so i was about 10 replies to late.

Dr Venom · 3 Jul 2003, 12:29 (Ref:650795)

people where trying to explain what advantages could be gained by changing damper oil and springs.

By all accounts Rossiters dampers where taken away for inspection and the result at Rockingham is still provisional.

Sorry again.

Mr Jinxx · 3 Jul 2003, 21:16 (Ref:651324)

I can't speak for Motaworld generally, but Lloyd has certainly been running through a testing program, which now includes damper settings. The trouble with FRenault is the limited testing time. If you have already got your basic set ups, you're just tweaking. Motaworld certainly have some good basic setups - had Alex not had the engine problem at Thruxton, for example, I would have been putting 50p on him to win - but not everywhere. We are struggling to find the "squat", the "compliance", the traction without bogging, in springs and dampers that Hamilton and the 2 Fortec cars have got. More testing time would have been useful here.

Dr Venom · 4 Jul 2003, 07:00 (Ref:651701)

Quote:

Originally posted by racingdick
money can buy lots of things... thankfully it cant buy the officials. well hopefully not

"ukracer" tells us that, quote "the MSA scrutineer was on holiday last week"

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm....!

ukracing · 4 Jul 2003, 11:58 (Ref:651967)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? What do you mean? I'm only telling it like it is.

Dr Venom · 4 Jul 2003, 13:08 (Ref:652228)

Just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5...... hopefully

Muz · 4 Jul 2003, 15:10 (Ref:652410)

Does anyone have any info on what Katherine Legge is up to this year?? (has she run out of money?)

Jamie P-E · 4 Jul 2003, 20:36 (Ref:652762)

According to AutoSport a few weeks back she tested an F3 car with fred goddard racing but nothing had materialised so I presume she run out of Money.

Jamie

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