Sergio Perez. Mexico's greatest driver since Pedro Rodriguez? - Page 2

**chunterer** · 22 Mar 2011, 16:22 (Ref:2851337)

Agreed, Fernandez was pretty good. He was one of the front runners in Formula Ford over here in the late 80's but seemingly lacked the budget to progress to F3 or whatever?

Michel Jourdain and Mario Dominguez were alright, quick on their day, but Sergio has so far showed many glimpses of superstar potential in my book.

His starting ability and further progress on an opening lap is reminiscent of Montoya and Hamilton, or even Alonso when he's in full on gung ho mode!

Flyin Ryan · 22 Mar 2011, 18:00 (Ref:2851385)

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Agreed, Fernandez was pretty good. He was one of the front runners in Formula Ford over here in the late 80's but seemingly lacked the budget to progress to F3 or whatever?

When the peso collapsed in the early '90s, I think that pretty much stopped all European ambitions for Mexican drivers.

Mekola · 22 Mar 2011, 19:16 (Ref:2851426)

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I am open to suggestions where this was not the case, it is an interesting thought! Where has a clearly better driver been the number 2.

Carlos Reutemann during 1981 is an easy one.

Richard B · 22 Mar 2011, 20:33 (Ref:2851468)

In my opinion Sergio will be "the find" of the 2011 F1 season.

strider · 22 Mar 2011, 22:06 (Ref:2851510)

I agree.

wnut · 23 Mar 2011, 00:49 (Ref:2851574)

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I'm not sure about 'clearly better' but it could be argued that Ronnie Peterson and Gilles Villeneuve were equally as good as (if not a bit better than) their victorious team-mates in '78 and '79. However, they both knew their role and remained loyal.

That was in the days of proper contracted #2 drivers though. Colin Chapman didn't have to trot out a load of old rhubarb about giving the drivers an equal opportunity, as Christian Horner has to do now.

These are both very interesting.
Both Peterson and Villeneuve were massively quick at driving anything though poor at developing cars whereas Andretti and Scheckter were excellent. The point being that Peterson and Villeneuve would not have been nearly as quick without Andretti and Scheckter.
Peterson and to an even greater extent Villeneuve were both prone to getting involved in "racing incidents".
Scheckter and Villeneuve were equals at Ferrari, and I believe a myth was built up after the Monza race where Scheckter won and Villeneuve came second. Villeneuve and Scheckter I believe were treated as equals, shared a tremendous respect with Scheckter acknowledging that Villeneuve was the quicker, yet Villeneuve's determination to be the fastest on every single lap took its toll on the car and meant he lacked Scheckter's consistancy. In my opinion this was probably the greatest driver pairing of all time, only equalled (second to?) by Prost and Senna in talent, but they did not work together very well.

wnut · 23 Mar 2011, 00:55 (Ref:2851577)

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Carlos Reutemann during 1981 is an easy one.

Could well have been, although Jones was the reigning WDC at the time.
Reutemann beat him in the points, and continued with the team in 1982,so it may have meant that by the end of the year he had done enough to have favoured status.

Can you recall any specific examples of where Jones was favoured?

Peralta · 23 Mar 2011, 01:49 (Ref:2851604)

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In my opinion Sergio will be "the find" of the 2011 F1 season.

There is no doubt that Checo has the speed/skills to be fighting for points at every race. What he has to do is not make stupid silly mistakes that will hurt his confidence. Hamilton Alonso Kubica all rarely made mistakes their first year. If he manages to stay ahead of Kobayashi which in my opinion doable his confidence will certainly be boosted. That pairing will be the most interesting to watch of the whole field.

ensign14 · 23 Mar 2011, 07:16 (Ref:2851661)

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Can you recall any specific examples of where Jones was favoured?

When Williams hung out the pit board telling Carlos to slow down and let Jonesy win. OK, Carlos ignored it, but...

Super Hans · 23 Mar 2011, 08:49 (Ref:2851689)

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In my opinion Sergio will be "the find" of the 2011 F1 season.

I think you might be right. You've got to hand it to Sauber for pairing up two young chargers. I hope they have a successful season.

wnut · 23 Mar 2011, 12:02 (Ref:2851802)

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When Williams hung out the pit board telling Carlos to slow down and let Jonesy win. OK, Carlos ignored it, but...

Fair enough! Game set match there!

**chunterer** · 23 Mar 2011, 14:36 (Ref:2851896)

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Originally Posted by Peralta

There is no doubt that Checo has the speed/skills to be fighting for points at every race. What he has to do is not make stupid silly mistakes that will hurt his confidence. Hamilton Alonso Kubica all rarely made mistakes their first year.

Yes that's very true, except i'm not sure he's that kind of driver?

**Bononi** · 23 Mar 2011, 17:32 (Ref:2851979)

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Yes that's very true, except i'm not sure he's that kind of driver?

Yeah, that's what I thought also...

Peralta · 23 Mar 2011, 20:26 (Ref:2852097)

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In my opinion Sergio will be "the find" of the 2011 F1 season.

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Yeah, that's what I thought also...

His impatience has cost him in GP2. Passing where he shouldn't be. Ask Bird Bianchi Valsechi. He has to learn patience. He is fast no doubt but he pits his car (passing)where at times shouldn't be. That cost him the GP2 title. Sure he was also disqualified after winning for being underweight or taking out a few times by other drivers but if he wants to be champion, he has to make less mistakes. He is the yougest in the field by 2 years but I have no doubt he will shine. He is in a good team to learn in his first year.

JHamilton · 24 Mar 2011, 00:34 (Ref:2852210)

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Well they all looked north instead of across the ocean. If forced to come up with a guy, I'd probably say Adrian Fernandez is the best Mexican since I've been watching racing.

I agree and believe many Mexicans would agree with you too. Adrian can still wheel it.

Nevertheless, one thing Sergio can count on is the support of his people. They love motor racing and support their drivers to no end.

wnut · 24 Mar 2011, 08:30 (Ref:2852308)

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His impatience has cost him in GP2. Passing where he shouldn't be. Ask Bird Bianchi Valsechi. He has to learn patience. He is fast no doubt but he pits his car (passing)where at times shouldn't be. That cost him the GP2 title. Sure he was also disqualified after winning for being underweight or taking out a few times by other drivers but if he wants to be champion, he has to make less mistakes. He is the yougest in the field by 2 years but I have no doubt he will shine. He is in a good team to learn in his first year.

Ken Tyrell once said "I can teach a fast driver not to make mistakes, but I can't teach a slow driver to be fast"!

So it would seem there is hope for Sergio!

**Bononi** · 24 Mar 2011, 11:23 (Ref:2852401)

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Ken Tyrell once said "I can teach a fast driver not to make mistakes, but I can't teach a slow driver to be fast"!

So it would seem there is hope for Sergio!

Ken could do it, but the rest ?

strider · 24 Mar 2011, 22:41 (Ref:2852776)

Peter Sauber seemed to manage it with Kimi and, to a lesser extent, with Heidfeld, so I don't think Sergio could be with a better team.

**chunterer** · 25 Mar 2011, 11:57 (Ref:2852982)

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Peter Sauber seemed to manage it with Kimi and, to a lesser extent, with Heidfeld, so I don't think Sergio could be with a better team.

I think he'd be fine with Peter's guidance but Adrian Fernandez will have his interests as well remember.

I don't recall there ever being a big rift in Sauber since the debut season when JJ got a bit fed up with Wendlinger. Something had changed engineering weise because Lehto had been a real star in the opening few races but then Karl got to grips with things and started to go as quickly if not quicker. But then that's way OT!!

newlaprecord · 25 Mar 2011, 13:24 (Ref:2853023)

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Originally Posted by strider

Peter Sauber seemed to manage it with Kimi and, to a lesser extent, with Heidfeld, so I don't think Sergio could be with a better team.

Heidfeld did not debut with Sauber. Besides, he outqualified/outraced/outscored Kimi at Saube. So Im not sure what exactly Peter Sauber managed to do with him to a lesser extent. (maybe Massa was the name you were looking for

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Based on pre-season tests and the two practice sessions so far, I would say Sergio is in the hot-seat for "rookie of the year" but it will be quite a battle as Di Resta seems far from intimidated with Sutil and D'Ambrosio is keeping Glock honest at Virigin too. Some decent rookies this year really. (oh and we have a GP2 champ somewhere there too)

ECW Dan Selby · 25 Mar 2011, 13:31 (Ref:2853027)

I think it's very difficult to say whether D'Ambrosio is keeping up with Glock - He's just come back from appendecitis (sp?).

Selby

**bella** · 25 Mar 2011, 13:36 (Ref:2853032)

i think this years rookies are pretty fortunate. since most of them have (in the publics eyes at least) bought their way into f1 with the exception of di resta, there isn't really much expectation. i'm sure that's not the case in mexico or venezuela, but in general it just seems different. perhaps there's a bit more of the general disappointment in williams dropping hulkenberg for maldonado and his wallet in the same way people seemed to dislike petrov for bringing cash to renault last year. any heroic drives will be a pleasent surprise to the tv watching masses.

strider · 25 Mar 2011, 18:15 (Ref:2853167)

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Heidfeld did not debut with Sauber. Besides, he outqualified/outraced/outscored Kimi at Saube. So Im not sure what exactly Peter Sauber managed to do with him to a lesser extent. (maybe Massa was the name you were looking for

)

Apologies if that's true. I suppose I had go and check. I admit to having a blank spot where Heidfeld is concerned. I like the guy and think he was the right choice for Renault in the sad circumstances, but he never seems to do anything exciting.

As an aside, Renault seem to have been a bit of a disappointment so far in Melbourne.

Marbot · 25 Mar 2011, 18:49 (Ref:2853189)

I think that Renault were doing mostly high fuel load runs, even on the soft tyres. I also wouldn't be too surprised if they were holding back a bit.

ptclaus98 · 27 Mar 2011, 08:03 (Ref:2853965)

Well, it would seem that I have stuffed my foot into my mouth. Mea culpa, Senor Perez(I've been doing this a lot lately.)

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