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Those V8s, they kind you see in NASCAR, ARCA, USAC, WoO, and a variety of lower level racing series all use this these type of engines. So there may maybe a market for these cars to tap.
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You are correct in pointing out that it was a passing comment about the other P2s, but that may be an option. P3 is not happening now, I think we can all see that, particularly since Riley is gonna have their hands full with the P2s, particularly since Multimatic is also very, very busy. The car hasn't finished the design spec yet and unless there are few orders for the P2 car (which, let's be honest, is highly unlikely), the earliest the P3 car will be ready for testing is late 2017, which means not enough for the grid in 2018 and pushes using it as a replacement back to 2019. (Eeeeep.) The open-top P2 idea was put forwards because there is lots of Orecas and Gibsons and Morgans and the like out there. If one is going to replace those cars anywhere near now it needs to be a chassis which is ready now and produced by somebody who can make lots of them now, preferably somebody not making a P2 car. I don't want to be calling Onroak if at all possible, but with Ginetta all but out of the P3 game, ADESS proving to be problematic and Riley and Dome yet to hit the track, if we go P3 anytime soon we're handing yet another market to Onroak, which IMO at this point should be avoided like the plague. (Gibson, maybe? Is there enough Gibson 015S chassis out there to make this work?) The different engines was an attempt at that. The reason I figured it could work is that Chrysler is really promoting their Hemi engines, the LT1 is already in use the Corvette C7.R and as your correctly pointed out the Ford Coyote is already being used in Conti. They will all make 550 horsepower easily and without too much in the way of stress, particularly since the same internals on the Corvette ZR1 (650 hp) and on the Hellcat Dodges (707 hp) make considerably more power. Chrysler could fairly cheaply I suspect make a Hemi for a PC category, and Ford's already halfway there with the Voodoo version of the Coyote and GM with the C7.R's powerplant. Low-stressed, torquey, loud-roaring Detroit V8s can, when sorted properly (and Katech has shown this with the LS3) run absolutely forever without breaking. Giving the class a choice of engines gives it more competition than there would otherwise be, which makes it worth more, and since you'd only have to do BoP infrequently, no need for lots of troubles with major changes to the cars. |
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I don't think the 5.5L in the C7Rs are LT1 based, I think they are still the same 5.5L that the C6R GT2/E cars used. I can't remember off-hand what it's called, LS.R or something?
While an old P2 open top chassis might be fairly cheap, surely an older GT3 car could be had for a reasonable price too. This is assuming that IMSA would be okay with an older GT3 car running or having a chance at winning, as BMW for example might not want to see an old Z4 beat out their new M6, so there could be some political stuff involved. Flying Lizard ran the older gen R8 though, but it was fairly anonymous both times. It is a tough position to put the teams in, but upgrading cars is just part of racing. DP teams had to do it with the new aero, the whole P field will have to do it with DPi, lots of GTD teams had to do it when they moved to the GT3 regs. There was talk of CORE moving to P2 a few years ago, and we know they aren't short on money. PR1 Mathiasen also supposedly nearly switched to a P2 this season. We already know Starworks is going to P class next year with the Riley. That leaves BAR1, JDC Miller, and Performance Tech that would likely need more consideration than the others, and I'm not sure how well they are off. IMSA does need to think of the teams, but they also need to think of what is best for the product they put out as that is what will help gain them fans and grow the sport, and in turn help the teams find sponsorship. I'm not saying that it's only PC is holding things back or that they are ruining the show or anything, but IMSA has more to consider than just what these teams want. If left up to the teams, they would probably still be running these same cars 10 years from now so that they don't have to spend any more than the bare minimum. |
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LS5.R. As best I can tell, it's derived more from the LS3(the engine that the PC cars use) than the roadcar's engine.
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There could be life for the LMP3 chassis in IMSA yet.... as the PC replacement chassis that would become the top class of the CTSCC.
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I hope I am understanding this right ! So from 2018 moving forward the " CONTI " series will become PC , LMP3 , and then some Amalgamation of a Combined ST& GS Class ?
Some reasons being cited : Reduction of total number of cars in the series due to space limitations ? Consistent number of cars at other NON NAEC events ? I have to WONDER how much INFLUENCE GM had in leaning in that direction ? |
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OK I am sorry for misunderstanding that part .
So it will be LMP 3 chasis only with a yet to be determined motor ? Also yet to be determined bodywork ? Which raises the question WHERE is IMSA Lites class headed ? As I was understanding it IMSA wanted the PC /LMP3 class to be the feeder series to P2 / DPI class ? |
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They'll use the same engine as the current PC cars IF there is a legitimate indication that the P3 engines aren't up to the task(given that they would be running shorter races in Conti than they do in Europe, this would not be a concern if P3 was made a Conti class). Otherwise for the sake of simplicity they will likely adopt the class unaltered, save perhaps for a smaller inlet restrictor to keep the cars at a more reasonable speed for Conti. Quote:
The Elan DP02 is considerably cheaper(and, being part of a glorified club series, can remain stagnant for much longer, though they really SHOULD revamp the series), as is the newer Elan NP01(still waiting for reliable lap time info comparing the two cars), so LMP3 REALLY isn't a good idea for Prototype Lites. P Lites ought to just adopt the SCCA P1 and P2 design regulations, but I doubt IMSA would be willing to do so. |
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IMSA just needs to either put the LMP3 cars with IMSA Lites or forget about them. Wrecking the Conti Series because IMSA team owners don't want to race them in the WeatherTech Series is moronic. |
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Think about it - if LMP3 doesn't make sense in Conti due to cost, how does it make any more sense in P Lites? LMP3 cars are considerably more expensive than what's currently being run in Lites as well. |
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The we must have them because they have them mentality is quite annoying.
Lmp3 should replace PC as the Jr. Proto or do nothing with them at all. |
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Have to wonder how differently the American market would view LMP3 cars if they had tested a current Ligier instead of last year's Ginetta. They should be quick enough to replace PC now.
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It's all about the PC team owners who have no interest in running a P class car due to cost, but don't want to run a GT program, either(particularly the rather crowded GTD). |
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A Ligier JSP3 win the Sunset 500 in Homestead Miami.
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Sunset 500???
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Looks like its just a local Florida club serie basicly. Only the Ligier and the DP of interest in the entry list, also a Praga in there, other then that the usual bunch of Porsches and BMWs.
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This is pretty much a south Florida ORG called FARA .
The slogan " We provide a Playground for your ride " is Interesting ! Though there seems to be a wider selection of vehicles than I had guessed . Basicly if it is SAFE Bring it and they will find a class for you or RENT a RIDE .!! Anybody got an LMP1 sitting around I could BORROW for a WEEK-END ? |
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It will come down to who is willing to pay IMSA the most to be the spec engine. |
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